Big Fps Drops: AMD FX-6300 is the problem?

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PC specs:

Prosecessor: AMD FX-6300 Six Core.
Motherboard: Asrock N68 VS3 FX
Graphic Card: Nvidia GeForce GT 430 1GB
RAM: 6 GB DDR3
Cooler: Random Cooling.

My problems:

I am having problems with the Fps for several months, and i think that can be the processor, or not. I'm not very expert diagnosing pc's, But from what I've seen, but there chances for the processor option (In my opinion). When i'm playing games, starts normally (45-35fps depends on what i playing) but after a few moments drops dratically (20-11fps, sometimes drops to 8)

Temperatures playing games:
(Measured with Speedfan)

GPU (Grafic Card): 50C
System: 42C
CPU: 65C
AUX: 29C
Core: 55C
(System, CPU, AUX are the motheboard)

No viruses (Have Norton anti-virus), all driver update, new OS also (Windows 7 64 BIT)... I don't know what to do... This problem have me very stressed, please if can help. It may not look it, but I'm very desperate.

Thanks for Reading.
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ulises314

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that card is very old, replace for almost anything and you will game better, the proc isn't top of the line but isn't the the weakest link in the chain, by far (it's actually a quite OK proc for today games)
 
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I forget to mentiont it (Yes, my card is old), but before this problem i've been playing for 2 years with the same specs and without a problem, the card keep runing fine (At least for me)... And no, i can't buy a new card :I
 
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Before presuming anything, check the CPU frequency when FPS drops occur; does it drop to 1.4 GHz? If so, the next step will be to determine if it's caused by the Random Cooling (not very specific since we don't know how good it is nor if it cools the VRM or not). It also is possible the GPU is throttling, but FPS normally doesn't drop that much without CPU or GPU throttling.
 
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The processor might be throttling because of heat, download open hardware monitor or cpuz or something like that and log the temps and frequency when the framerate drops, if it is because of that then we need to know how randow is your random cooling, a piece of advice on that avenue: fans that are in the bottom half should be intakes, on the upper half should be outakes, have at least two 120mm fans (one intake, one outake). I have a FX-6100 and EVGA GTX960 both overclocked with stock coolers working ten degrees below max working temp. at full load with only sensible air cooling.
 
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I check the frequency when fps drops and yes. Playing normally is at 3.5Ghz and when drops goes to 1.4 Ghz. This meant that my cpu is heating to much? What's the best i can do? (I can put news coolers, but beside that?)
 
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I check the frecuency and the temps with the Open Hardware, the heat don't changes much the cpu stills on 64-65° when fps drops, the card 48-51° when he drops too. But, the Ghz of the processors goes to 1.4 Ghz when fps drops occurs, normally the frecuency is on 3.5Ghz. All the fans of the pc runs at 3200 RPM (Are 4, not included power supply) plus that, have 2 fans running externally. The Ghz makes me thinking.

 
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Is this consisten across games?, can you disable throttling from the mobo config? CPU throttles cause of high temp or low load but is weird that it does on games, also that temp is a bit too high for a FX-6300, do you live on a very hot climate? how are your fans oriented?
 
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The games that occurs the fps drops are: Dota 2 (55fps to 18), GTA V (40fps to 15), Borderlands 2 (50fps to 11) and yes, that happend everytime that i play. Usually the fps drops have a time of 30 at 60 seconds, run normally like 2 minutes and the drops appears again. The temperature were i live is 30° but in this month rains a lot and meaby the temperature drops to 26° (all is drops heres XD, i'm traumatized with the drops).
Were is the Mobo Config and how can disable the trottling option?
 
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You can access the motheboard configuration by pressing delete or f2 during post (it depends on your mobo) some people call that the BIOS config. Most modern motherboard have an 'easy' mode with presettings, the perfomances presetting is what you ae looking for, if that's not yor case you'll need to refer to your motherboard instruccions manual to see how to disable throttling.

But before you do that mind that even though you live in a hot place the max operating temperature for your processor is 62 degrees so it is running very hot, how are your fans oriented? I mean to they blow air in or out of the case?

***If you disable throttling and the CPU is running too hot the computer is going to shut down instead of throttling when you increase the load***
 
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Cpu or vrm temp throttling (your motherboard is fairly weak)

What cpu cooler are you using??
As ulises says above , you may be able to disable throttling , but it would be a bad idea as that function is there to ultimately protect your components from damage!
 
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I did it, but the Ghz stills droping 1.4Ghz. I guess that i need configure more specific things.

 
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What CPU cooler are you using? If it's the stock cooler, is it clean? If not, use a vacuum cleaner to clean it. Based on your observations, the motherboard's VRM most likely is throttling the CPU. You hopefully can't disable that protection; doing so will cause the VRM to burn.
 
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I made this image XD
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1.- Fan external: goes to the Graphic Card.
2.-Fan external: goes to the graphic Card.
3.-Fan of the Graphic Card.
4.-Fan External: Put out the heat.
5.- Fan of the Processor.
6.- Fan of the Power Supply.

When i say External means that i put it. Not original from CPU. Besides i have another improvised fan (A Cooler fan from Notebook's xD) .

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The beside fan, but not with that designe.
 
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I can't see your drawing but it seems to me that you are pushing to much air inside and to little outside, put the rear upper fan case blowing out, put a fan that sucks air infront and below if the other fans in your case are side case fans put the uper one blowing out and the lower one blowing in (I guess this is what you call the external fans that go to the video card) give some load to your system an monitor temps.

Lose the big laptop fan. let me explain: I believe you are blowing to much air inside your case (hot air since you live in a place with a 30 degree sumer) and it has no way out, this is not going to refresh your computer and maybe is even heeating it.

Let me know it there is any improvement after you do this.
 
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Fan 2 - external - doing nothing , its if any thing increasing GPU temps.

Fan 1 external ?? - do you not have a mount for an internal intake fan - it will perform far better

Fan 4 - external - same - a case fitted fan will do far more.

Essentially the airflow on 1 & 4 is correct but are not going to have anywhere near the same effect as fitted high airflow case fans.

Your main problem is without a doubt the CPU cooler itself , its not doing a good enough job & needs looking into.
 
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What you say have enough senses (If is a overheating problem). I will look better for the fans position, to see if there is any improvement. The cooler from laptops will be gone too. (i only had it to see if there was improvement in cooling , and if there was, but only for the Graphic card, not from the motherboard) If the fps still dropping after i will disable the throttling on the Bios, that option sounds dangerous to disable like firts option :s
Thanks Ulises and MadMatt, you help a lot with this problem, at least i know wtf is happening with my pc (Or not). This Teach me a lot from Processor temperatures. I will post when i do the changes.
Thanks again.
 
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