What is making mg gaming pc lag? a bottleneck?

Jimmyban

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hey guys so for the last few days i've been trying to find out why ive been getting a 10-25 fps drop, from 60) in games like skyrim (withs mods) and GTA V. Aside from mod incompatibility issues that would cause lag, it seems that i may be experiencing these fps drops as a result of a bottleneck. This is also suggested as i do meet the recommended settings for both these games and even turn down the settings from medium to high (the highest being ultra).

My PC specs are as followed


I have an Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 4gb GDDR5 = 16GB of RAM GDDR3= Intel Core i7-4770 - 3.40GH = 1TB Hard drive x3.


Would anyone be able suggest a possible bottleneck as a result of a pc component or if not, how to go about testing for one as im fairly new to the concept of bottlenecks/choke points.

Also if there is a bottleneck, what alternative component for my pc should i consider buying to reduce the bottleneck and allow the computer to perform faster - as ive heard there is no way to remove bottlenecks but you can reduce them - eg, hdd or an sdd

Thanks heaps!

Update:

Yes, skyrim does run fine without the mods.

Additionally, I have been running my gta v on ultra settings and my gpu memory usage is reaching to 2900-3400 mb. on gpu-z the gpu load is anywhere from a 30-75% (increasing during car crashes, shooting etc. the cpu is running at about 40-50% while about 7gb of my 16 gddr3 are being used.

i had also tried turning down the settings with no prevail as lag spikes still persisted.

i should also note my hdd drive seems to be spiking extremely frequently on 'respurce monitor'.

this is even more frustrating when ive found my friend has recently gotten a new pc with the following specs...

Intel i5-6600K, Radeon R7 370, 600W PSU, 16GB DDR4 Dual-Channel, 250GB SSD & 500GB HDD

...yet she is running the game on ultra with 90fps and only using around 500mb of vram memory (without overclocking).
however, she has told me she has up to 8 gb of shared memory while i have only 3 - not sure if this is a contributing factor.

again thanks for the help and any explanation as to why im having these issues - and why my friend is able to have much better performance with a (according to her) inferior graphics card to my own.


 
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A bottleneck occurs when one component can't keep pace with another; it's usually the CPU and GPU. Your components are evenly balanced so a bottleneck isn't the likely cause.

Does Skyrim run fine without the mods? They can occupy a lot of VRAM so I'd start there first. GPU-Z can monitor VRAM usage and I think MSI Afterburner can as well. As for GTA V, the advanced graphics options are VERY taxing on the GPU, even high-end ones, so if you haven't disabled those, I'd do that first.
A bottleneck occurs when one component can't keep pace with another; it's usually the CPU and GPU. Your components are evenly balanced so a bottleneck isn't the likely cause.

Does Skyrim run fine without the mods? They can occupy a lot of VRAM so I'd start there first. GPU-Z can monitor VRAM usage and I think MSI Afterburner can as well. As for GTA V, the advanced graphics options are VERY taxing on the GPU, even high-end ones, so if you haven't disabled those, I'd do that first.
 
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Jimmyban

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Update:

Yes, skyrim does run fine without the mods.

Additionally, I have been running my gta v on ultra settings and my gpu memory usage is reaching to 2900-3400 mb. on gpu-z the gpu load is anywhere from a 30-75% (increasing during car crashes, shooting etc. the cpu is running at about 40-50% while about 7gb of my 16 gddr3 are being used.

i had also tried turning down the settings with no prevail as lag spikes still persisted.

i should also note my hdd drive seems to be spiking extremely frequently on 'respurce monitor'.

this is even more frustrating when ive found my friend has recently gotten a new pc with the following specs...

Intel i5-6600K, Radeon R7 370, 600W PSU, 16GB DDR4 Dual-Channel, 250GB SSD & 500GB HDD

...yet she is running the game on ultra with 90fps and only using around 500mb of vram memory (without overclocking).
however, she has told me she has up to 8 gb of shared memory while i have only 3 - not sure if this is a contributing factor.

again thanks for the help and any explanation as to why im having these issues - and why my friend is able to have much better performance with a (according to her) inferior graphics card to my own.

 
Your friend must be playing GTA V at much lower settings to achieve 90 fps and 500MB VRAM usage. Shared memory isn't a factor here. Try GTA V at the absolute lowest settings and see if that sorts the problem. If it does, then you need to adjust your graphical settings. If it doesn't, then I'd think about replacing the HDD (assuming your games are installed there).

The issue with Skyrim is most likely down to VRAM, so use GPU-Z to see how much VRAM is being consumed with the mods installed.
 

Jimmyban

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So with skyrim once my vram usage starts getting into the high 3000 mb is that when should start toning down the mods?

also, i very recently launched gta with the same settings as my friend yet she is still yielding better fps. however her vsync was off at the time. but it is concerning to see that my graphics card (which i had thought was better) is being out performed in regards to how much vram is being used by her (only around 500mb supposedly) compared to me (3000's mb range).

as you suggested i will try some lower settings to see if i get a boost in performance. but would there possibly anyway she is achieving better performance with a worse video card? for example, could her gpu be automatically overclocking or likewise the cpu be overclocking automatically?

lastly, would you recommend i get an ssd instead of a hdd (and a better cooling system as the only cooling in my pc is built onto the gpu and cpu) to improve performance?
 
The 500MB VRAM usage tells me that your friend must be playing GTA V at a low resolution with a lot of other options disabled. It doesn't take much for VRAM usage to escalate.

Running a game off an SSD won't improve the frame rate, just the saving and loading times. There's also no need to invest in better cooling unless your components are overheating, which seems unlikely.

The 500MB VRAM usage is a huge indicator that your friend is playing GTA V at much lower settings than you.
 

Jimmyban

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ill have to ask her how much vram was being used exactly although i know it was significantly less than mine and im sure she was running the game at 1080p - "all settings maxed" as she told me many times.

as for the tips you gave me they seemed to have worked.

firstly i played gta v with all advanced graphics settings turned on. i also used gpu-z which said my 'memory used' got to a maximum of about 3500mb whilst my 'gpu load' got to a maximum of 99%. however i do not know how long it was on 99% (i think it was only for a small period of time ) as i had set the gpu-z to show me the highest it goes. in regards to fps i was running a solid 60 frames with fully maxed out settings but i did drop from 10-30 frames when crashing my car, police chases, or going into highly populated areas.

i then turned off all the advanced graphical settings as you suggested while keeping all normal graphics turned on ultra (aside from msaa and msaa reflection - side note=which my friend also does not have turned on) and i seemed to stay at a stable 57-60 frames per second. my 'gpu load' went from anywhere from 40-70% while the memory used only decreased slightly going to about 3400-3500mb.

are these numbers, regarding the memory usage and gpu load, damaging to my pc? the 99% im sure cant be a good thing correct?

also once again regarding my friend, are there any other ways she could be running this game maxed out while only using around 500-100mb of vram in 1080p - or is this not possible? if not,, could she be viewing a the amount of vram she has remaining rather than what she using? she had also told me her gpu load was only in the 30-40% range which again seemed strange as i had thought i had a better pc than her?

lastly, is my pc as a whole and graphics card alone sufficient enough and capable to run these newer/future games on high to ultra like gta v or am i being to hopeful?


Update

Hey bicycle, would you also be able to tell me why my gpu load is in the high 80's and my fps is dropping to 50 now especially with in the desert area. is it normal for my gpu to have a load of 90% and to be using 3.mb of vram memory on gta v (with settings on high to very high - not ultra? or is my gpu broken in some way?
 
The advanced graphics aren't taxking on VRAM, but they significantly hinder the GPU's performance. This is why you're seeing usage of 99% and the frame drops are a result of that usage.

99% GPU usage is detrimental to gaming performance but it doesn't harm your PC in any way. Components have built-in redundancies to protect themselves form overheating, which is identifiable by significantly reduced performance, application crashes or system crashes.

The reason for the high GPU usage is down to the graphical settings you've chosen. I highly recommend that you watch TotalBiscuit's GTA V port report to get an idea of what settings have the most impact on performance; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEYJS799dI.

The GTX 980 is a good GPU and likely has plenty of life left in it.
 

Jimmyban

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Yes, but i was still recieving a 99% gpu-load with my graphics settings on high? this is strange to me as i had though thr 980 could achieve a very high setting easily?
 

Jimmyban

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so settings that can be potentially gpu taxing can vary from gpu to gpu?
 

Jimmyban

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but i would though my gtx 980 would have been able to handle gta v on ultra?
 

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