GTX 1080 adobe premiere pro

nodin78 · Jun 8, 2016

Hi,

I am hesitating between GTX 980 Ti and the new 1080 GTX for video editing in adobe premiere. Is the new GTX 1080 worth it in video editing. I saw a lot of reviews but only for games. Does adobe premiere pro cc handle this new pascal cards?

Thanks for your time and consideration

k1114 · Jun 8, 2016

https://www.pugetsystems.com/blog/2016/06/01/A-quick-look-at-GTX-1080-performance-in-Premiere-Pro-804/

There's minimal returns after mid range cards.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-Professional-GPU-Acceleration-502/
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CS6-GPU-Acceleration-162/

nodin78 · Jun 8, 2016

Thanks for you quick answer
So according to the article, the 1080 GTX works fine with premiere with 1080 and 4K H264 and problems with driver are only with RED footage? Is that right? Has someone had any issues with this card in using H264 in premiere?
Thanks

Michael Trenton · Jun 25, 2016

I'm also very curious to know if how the 980Ti, 1070 and 1080 compares in Adobe overall. Those tests, while interesting, seem to mainly focus on export and render times. I'm interested to know how the cards perform through the whole editing process (e.g. are there any differences when colour grading, etc)

The Adobe programs I use the most are Premiere Pro, After Effects and Speedgrade so I'd be interested to know for example if there are any benefits by going with the 1080 over the 980 or 1070 when it comes to colour grading 4K footage in Speedgrade, or even in Premiere. Or when doing massive layers of effects and adjustments in After Effects.

If anyone knows of any tests with these cards where this is dealt with I'd be happy to know.

k1114 · Jun 26, 2016

Color isn't any different from any gpu unless you are talking quadro and 10 bit support on a 10 bit monitor. Performance should be better across the board with any gpu accelerated features. It simply has better performance so it's not going to somehow be worse in one area. You won't find benchmarks of other tasks.

Michael Trenton · Jun 26, 2016

k1114 :

Thank you for your reply. I'm not into 10-bit color grading so a Quadro card is not something I'm currently looking at. It's pretty much between the 1070 and 1080 at this point. My questions regarding colour has to do with performance as in how snappy and 'real time' the colour grading process goes with one card compared to the other. Currently there can be quite a bit of delay or lagging when I colour grade 4k footage for example.
Also, if you've say added a grade to footage in Speedgrade, or within Premiere's own Lumetri colour grading feature it can sometimes make editing and adding additional effects go very slow. So I'd be interested to know if the 1080 will yield a significantly snappier process compared the 1070. Hope I managed to explain this well enough.

So given the very similar results in export and rendering times that the pugetsystems test showed would you say that performance when colour grading and doing effects work is also likely to be very similar between the GTX 1070 and 1080? (as in the GTX 1080 not given a significant enough performance boost to justfiy the additional cost of that card?)

k1114 · Jun 26, 2016

There shouldn't be much of a difference. You should check all your components' usage to see if the gpu is causing that delay. You'll want to check per core on the cpu not just total usage since some gpu accelerated features may mainly use a single core to feed the gpu. I don't know the rest of your specs but it could just as well be a storage, vram or any other bottleneck. I don't want to hijack this thread any further. If you want to further discuss your situation, make your own thread.

jeremys91 · Aug 25, 2016

Any Update on your decision and if the 1080 works well with Premier+Speedgrade? I have a Titan Black at home and it outperforms my M5000 at work.

Michael Trenton · Sep 18, 2016

jeremys91 :

I ended up buying a GTX1070 instead of GTX1080 and while the card works alright with Premiere and Speedgrade it's apparently not well enough supported by Adobe. First of all it is not supported in After Effects at all, it just doesn't work, so even my previous five year old GTX580 works better in that application. In Premiere Pro it works fine, but it doesn't seem to work much better than my old GTX580. I did several test renders where I'd used a ton of GPU accelerated effects and scaling etc to see if there were any vast improvements, but it turned out rendering times were pretty much identical to my old GTX580.

I think bottom line is the new Pascal GTX cards like 1080, 1070 and 1060 simply aren't supported by Adobe yet and that's why performance is so utterly disappointing (even to the point of not working at all, like in After Effects). Hopefully these cards will be supported in the upcoming CC2016 release.

k1114 · Sep 18, 2016

Like I said, it's minimal returns. The cpu makes much more of a difference.

Michael Trenton · Sep 18, 2016

k1114 :

Yes, I understand there would be minimal returns if choosing a 1080 over the 1070 which is why I ended up buying the 1070. What I don't understand is the zero additional returns when switching from my old GTX 580 to my brand new GTX1070.
I deliberately loaded a sequence with tons of GPU accelerated effects and when I render that sequence using 'CPU only' there is a significantly longer rendering time compared to when I enable GPU rendering and utilize my GTX580 or GTX1070. My problem is that the GTX1070 doesn't improve on rendering times at all compared to the GTX580.
I've seen several rendering tests performed by people who have upgraded from say a GTX780 to GTX980Ti which have massively improved render times so the 1070 should improve rendering times vastly compared to my old GTX580. Only it doesn't and I'm guessing the reason is the card is unsupported in Premiere Pro.

So my mistake was in taking the chance that Adobe would support the 1070 in the recent CC2015.3 update, however they didn't. All I can hope for now is that they will support it in the upcoming CC2016 update.
Premiere Pro is still usable to me although with no performance gain while After Effects on the other hand is dead in the water as far as ray tracing and some other stuff goes. A supported GPU is simply needed for ray tracing as the CPU cannot match the performance of the GPU by a long shot (as in being completely unusable).
Clearly I should have bought the 980Ti since that's a more mature card that's supported, but I fell for the temptation of getting the 1070 instead and now I'm paying the price.

k1114 · Sep 18, 2016

I didn't mean a 1070 vs 1080 when those are certainly not mid range. I showed benchmarks of a 980ti vs 1080 which showed hardly any difference so getting a 980ti over a 1070 is just to get it to actually working in ae. I believe you misunderstood the cpu part. Gpu rendering still uses the cpu and I even posted benches of a quad core vs a 6 core which gives a much better increase in performance to as I said mid range cards.

Michael Trenton · Sep 18, 2016

k1114 :

Maybe I misunderstood you, but I still think I ought to have seen a significant performance increase with GPU accelerated features in Premiere by upgrading from GTX580 to GTX1070 when others have shown results showing increased performance by going from e.g GTX780 to GTX980Ti, which is a smaller gap in terms of upgrade. So clearly it must be Premiere Pro not yet supporting the GTX1070 since I see no increase in performance whatsoever.

As far as CPU goes I currently have an 8-core i7 5960X that I bought just over a year ago so upgrading my CPU is not really an option for me as I suspect the performance increases offered by the 8-core and 10-core skylake i7s wouldn't be worth the massive cost of buying them.

Like I said I guess my mistake was in not buying the tried and trusted GTX980Ti that is known to work with Premiere Pro and After Effects and which would have given me a significant performance increased compared to my old GTX580. Obviously if Adobe adds full support for the GTX1070 in the next upgrade I expect a significant performance increase compared to what I experience today so in the end it might be worth it in the long run. It's just a pain right now not being able to use ray tracing in After Effects etc.
DaVinci Resolve seems to like the GTX1070 a lot though so it's not all bad it's just Adobe that's being slow in adopting the new pascal cards apparently. I don't know.

k1114 · Sep 18, 2016

I feel like the links and what I'm saying is being ignored.

Michael Trenton · Sep 19, 2016

k1114 :

I appreciate your links and I have read them. It's possible there is something in there that I don't understand, but unless you point out exactly what you mean it really is beyond my understanding.
I appreciate that GPU acceleration in Premiere Pro will give minimal returns if going beyond a mid-range card of the same generation, which is why I ended up buying the GTX1070 instead of the GTX1080 exactly because the 1080 would give me pretty much zero benefits over the 1070 in Premiere Pro (I still needed to buy a higher end card like 1070 rather than a true mid-range card because I needed a card with at least 6GB of VRAM, preferably more, for using other applications like DaVinci Resolve (which so far seems to work perfectly with the 1070 and fully take advantage of its superior power to my old GTX580).

I already know there are significant performance gains to be had in Premiere Pro if upgrading from a GTX780 to a GTX980Ti, because I know from someone else that this particular upgrade has been performed on a computer almost identical to my own (running the very same 5960x CPU).
So with that in mind an even larger upgrade gap like mine (GTX580 to GTX1070) ought to have shown even larger performance gains right? But instead there are no performance gains at all. So to me, clearly the only explanation for this complete lack of peformance gain must be that Premiere Pro is not properly supporting my 1070 card and as such is not capable of fully utilizing it the same way it utilizes the 980Ti on similarly specced computers.
So that's pretty much my only point; that if I had bought the 980Ti I would have experienced performance gains, but since I bought the unsupported 1070 instead I'm seeing no such performance gain (at least not yet, until Adobe gets around to supporting it).

But please correct me if I'm wrong here and there is something I'm missing.

Draqone · Sep 19, 2016

MOST of the work is done by the CPU.

Many GPUs are GOOD ENOUGH for any possible graphic work.

This means upgrading your GPU might not show ANY improvement because it's the CPU that is holding you back.

Michael Trenton · Sep 20, 2016

Draqone :

Yes, but we're not just talking about 'graphics work' in general here, we're talking specifically about GPU accelerated features in Premiere Pro with a few specific graphics cards in question and tests shows that those GPUs have a significant effect on both playback performance and rendering times.
Here's a video by Dave Dugdale comparing the GTX680 to the GTX980Ti in Premiere Pro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtxUpzImJvw
As you can see from the video his upgrade from the GTX680 to the 980Ti had a significant impact on playback performance as well as rendering times. His computer is very similar to my own (inluding the same 8-core i7 5960x CPU)

In my own case I myself did rendering tests (no playback tests though) when I bought my GTX1070 where I rendered the same sequence (loaded with GPU accelerated effects) three times over; the first time using CPU only, the second time with my five year old GTX580 enabled and then the third time with my brand new GTX1070 enabled.
As expected rendering times were significantly faster with GPU acceleration enabled than when using CPU only, so there is beyond any doubt that with GPU accelerated effects the GPU pulls an enourmous load of the work.

What I did not expect in my test was the five year old GTX580 and the brand new GTX1070 delivering the same results in render times! Now this baffled me given that my upgrade leap (GTX580 to GTX1070) was even bigger than that of Dave Dugdale (GTX680 to GTX980Ti) and other people. Yet both his and other tests shows significant performance gains from a major GPU upgrade like that.
So I can only conclude that my seemingly complete lack of performance gain is a result of the GTX1070 not yet being supported in Premiere Pro. It works perfectly in Premiere Pro (as in not being buggy or crashing) it just seems PP is unable to utilize its superior processing power VS the GTX580 for whatever reason.

So clearly I would have been better off buying a GTX980Ti than GTX1070 for working in Premiere Pro as then I would have actually seen massive performance gains.

k1114 · Sep 21, 2016

Did you check your gpu usage?

Michael Trenton · Sep 21, 2016

k1114 :

Unfortunately I wasn't clever enough to monitor GPU usage at the time of my test. I didn't have GPU monitoring software installed and didn't know which one would be best to use (does Asus GPU tweak monitor GPU load? Or should I get some other software?).
I don't currently have my old GTX580 readily available so I won't be able to replicate the test with both GPUs for monitoring, but I can still do the same tests over with my GTX1070 and monitor its usage while performing those tests I guess.

k1114 · Sep 22, 2016

Msi afterburner, evga precision, asus gpu tweak are all based off rivatuner and will do. Gpuz is also good.

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