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Datechmaster

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I've been building computers for a while and my brothers new build that I started has me stumped...

Here's the problem: I was able to install windows 10 and get some of the drivers installed but after a bit of setup the computer completely froze, thinking it just was from the new drivers I restarted and it continued to happen sometimes instantly on the login screen and sometimes a couple minutes into doing stuff on the computer. No blue screen, just completely freezing up. I've tried disabling everything possible from drivers to the services thinking it was software because it would work just fine in safe mode with networking. I did send back the ram just because the set I bought weren't on the suggested compatibility list and I ordered some that were on the motherboards list. The ram I had in it worked fine and I even memtested them for a night.

Anyway I've tried windows 7 on it and it freezes as well, so at this point I'm thinking it's hardware.
Here's the list of components: (I looked into this motherboard and CPU combo and they sometimes have issues together?)

  • AMD FX-9590
    Corsair Vengeance 16gb
    Corsair H60 watercooler
    Samsung 850 Evo
    MSI 990FXA gaming motherboard
    Corsair AX860 power supply
    Asus R9 380 Strix 4gb
 
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Dragos Manea

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The most comon mistake for a 9590 is to put a water cooler, this way the vrm are not cooled by the cpu fan and they overheat. Try to put a fan to cool the vrm or change the watercooling into a down blow cooler.

EDIT: go here https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/990FXA-GAMING.html#support-test and read the big red note.

This type of cooler i mean you need https://www.google.ro/search?q=down+blow+cooler&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&imgil=EpUGSd497O4nDM%253A%253BhtlmOyYB8j013M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fforum.asrock.com%25252Fforum_posts.asp%25253FTID%2525253D1636%25252526title%2525253Dtopdown-blowing-design&source=iu&pf=m&fir=EpUGSd497O4nDM%253A%252ChtlmOyYB8j013M%252C_&usg=__54glPO3-TvHtZWI1VdBIve7lc-U%3D#imgrc=EpUGSd497O4nDM%3A
 
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Datechmaster

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Hmmm interesting Dragos Manea. I didn't know that, but my question is that I've seen many people water cool their 8000 series which is a very similar processor to my knowledge? Also from the bios it doesn't look like it's running hot and why would the vrm's cause it to crash only in normal mode and not in safe mode which is strange. I'll see if I can't get some airflow to the vrms without purchasing a different cooler either way.

And Ironsounds I can't currently post the recent events cause I'm waiting on the replacement ram but I can say that there wasn't anything out of the ordinary that happened when it freezes...
 
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Dragos Manea

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First of all VRM temp doesnt influence cpu temp, they are 2 separte things, vrm control and regulates the curent that is feed to the cpu, usually they are under the heatsink near the cpu, second the 8000 series has 140W this cpu has 220W almost double.
So the vrm will work double that is why the red note on the msi website says it is only for 9000 series, this are the only cpus that you need to cool the vrms separatly if you use water cooling or a top-down blow cpu cooler.
For more details google about vrm on google and they role.
 
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Datechmaster

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That makes sense thanks! Like I said I'll try and get some airflow to the vrms but why would that only cause it to crash in normal mode? The CPU shouldn't be pulling any less power while in safe mode for it not to freeze.
 
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Dragos Manea

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I cant see maximum tdp for this cooler. Anotehr variant will be Noctua NH-C14 has max 140W+OC search some reviews between the gemini and this one see which is better also search if anyone used it on your type oc cpu. And yes that is teh cpu cooler style it should work but be sure it has enought cooling power to cool your cpu.

EDIT: before you buy a new cpu cooler you can try with a spare fan to lay down teh case open side panel and leave the fan on the vrm heatsink and try to run the pc that way, see if it solves your problem, i m sure you got any spare fan around, if not a cheap fan is 5$.
 
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Datechmaster

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I did some research and I'm thinking I need to keep the water cooling now and hopefully be able to fit a fan close enought to cool the vrms like AMD says...
AMD FX™ 9000 Series Processor System Requirements
Download the FX 9000 Series Installation Guide here, with detailed assembly and system requirement information.
The AMD FX™ 9000 Series processors feature a 220 Watt TDP and have three unique requirements:
1) A robust CPU liquid cooling system. The Antec Kuhler H20 925, Cooler Master Nepton 120XL, and Corsair H80i are examples of products with sufficient cooling capacity.
2) A socket AM3+ motherboard that supports processors with a 220 Watt TDP. As of September 15, 2015, the compatible motherboard list is as follows:
Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z
Asus SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0
Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3/Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 R5
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD5/Gigabyte 990FXA-UD5 R5
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7
MSI 990FXA-Gaming
Asrock 990FX Extreme9
Asrock 990FX Extreme6
Asrock Fatal1ty 990FX Professional
3) Chassis exhaust fan mounted near the motherboard VRM components with at least 35CFM of air flow capacity
 
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