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I plan to use this build for general use (school work, web browsing, watching videos, music, the usual stuff), and maxed-out 1080p gaming. It will be my entry into the glorious world of the #pcmasterrace. This list is just under my budget, coming in at around $1100 CAD. If there are cheaper components that will do the same thing for less, please let me know as I would love to have more spare cash for games and other things. $1200 (CAD) is about the limit.

Additional notes:

1) I am planning to get the monitor used from Kijiji for $100. Seems like a pretty good deal - a 1080p, 24", IPS panel for a hundred Canadian bucks.

2) Alright...from what I can tell, the 390 is a better card overall...but I'm getting this 970 used, on Kijiji, for $200. The cheapest 390 I can find is $270. The performance gain isn't huge, and by sacrificing the few frames I'll save 70 bucks. The RX 480 should also come out soon for $199 USD, which is around $250 CAD...I might wait to see those benchmarks.

3) I didn't add an SSD because I didn't really see the point of it. I won't be video editing or anything, and I really need that mass storage. This way, I also leave room for any fans or Wi-Fi adapters or anything else I want to add later on.

4) Also, I don't have a desktop keyboard I can use at the moment, so I threw in the CM Storm Devastator Bundle.


Anything I should change? Add? Replace? Take out? Keep in mind that this is my VERY first PC build...so I don't have any spare parts or anything lying around. Let me know...the only experience I have is just watching a bunch of videos off Paul's Hardware and LinusTechTips.

PS: Since I am a first-time builder, I actually have a lot of questions on which parts may fit my needs the best. If anyone has some more time, would you mind answering a few? This parts list is sort of a draft of what seems to me like the best option.
 
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Well, you are right. You're getting a good price on the GTX 970. If you were buying a brand new one, it would be different.

Single channel is fine:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1478-page1.html

Two fans will probably be enough. You can always add another one later if needed. Many people just like to have every fan slot occupied because they can.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/02/10/the-big-cooling-investigation/1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmkmluAYAQ

Don't downgrade to the AMD CPU. it would be a mistake.

The GTX 970 is fine for 1440p. The i5 6500 should be good for a few years. It's a good match for your GTX 970.

An SSD will only help you boot up faster and load any games on it faster, but won't help in game...

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Yeah...but I'll be gaming at 1080p, so will I even notice a difference between the 480 and the 970? And I'll save a bit of cash...
 


The card is not out yet, but I would estimate that certain games may show a benefit. It should be a bit less expensive or maybe it will drive down the price of the GTX 970. I didn't notice that you had mentioned it in your OP. I just wanted to make sure that you were aware of its existence.
 

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Well...I don't see the RX 480 being any cheaper than $250 CAD, given that $199 is directly converted to around $255. Add in HST and other...Canadian things, and it ends up being quite a bit more expensive than the 970. Keep in mind that I will be getting the 970 used, which means I don't have to pay any tax for it. How long do you think a 970 will last me versus an RX 480? I'd rather invest the extra $50-something dollars now than have to sell the 970 later and get a new card (I don't think SLI is supported on H170 boards). Is it worth it?


Everyone on the PC Gaming Google+ community was telling me to go dual-channel...so it's not really worth the used-up RAM slots, is it?

I just have a couple more questions:

Will I need any extra fans? The S340 only comes with two...whenever I see part lists or build guides on YouTube, they never seem to include any extra case fans. Will the two be enough? Any recommendations?

I was wondering if I should build an ITX system instead. Every month or so, I go over to my friend's house, and we play PC games. I usually bring my laptop with me (since we used to play lighter titles), but he recently got Battlefront and Overwatch, and I can't run those games with my 4210U. Obviously, a mini-ITX PC is nowhere near as portable as a laptop, but do you think it would do for something like this? Or should I just skimp out on portability and just play online with him at home?

I was also considering getting a 1440p monitor and building my new rig around it. I would then have to cut down everything in my system (6500 to FX-6300, cheaper PSU, cheaper case, etc.) to fit the budget. But 1440p is apparently the new sweet spot for gaming...and it doesn't look nearly as pixelated as 1080p at 27 inches. The extra real estate should help for productivity as well. It's really hard to squeeze that into my budget, though. The cheapest QHD monitor I could find here is around $330. Would it be worth going to 1440p? Will the GTX 970 even be able to handle it for more than just a short while?

How long will the CPU last me? It's a locked chip ,and the H170 platform doesn't support overclocking...I want my rig to last me a good three years before having to switch chipsets altogether. I won't be doing any intensive video editing or anything, so will the 6500 be fine for my use? How long before it bottlenecks other components?

Do I need an SSD? Everyone on Reddit and the Google + PC Gaming community is telling me to add one into my build. Would it be wiser to wait for prices to drop even further down? Do I really need a boot drive? Any recommendations for a decently-priced SSD?

And...the Internet connection...I'm still really uncertain about how that is going to work. I have an Ethernet cable connected to the router quite near where I hope to set up my new rig, but will I need some sort of adapter? Do motherboards have on-board Wi-Fi?

Sorry for the boatload of questions...
 
Well, you are right. You're getting a good price on the GTX 970. If you were buying a brand new one, it would be different.

Single channel is fine:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1478-page1.html

Two fans will probably be enough. You can always add another one later if needed. Many people just like to have every fan slot occupied because they can.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/02/10/the-big-cooling-investigation/1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmkmluAYAQ

Don't downgrade to the AMD CPU. it would be a mistake.

The GTX 970 is fine for 1440p. The i5 6500 should be good for a few years. It's a good match for your GTX 970.

An SSD will only help you boot up faster and load any games on it faster, but won't help in game play. Any SSD is faster than a HDD. The new Sandisk X400's are at a good price to performance level.

The ethernet cable is better than wifi. Just hook it up to your MB.
 
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Thank you so much! Will build soon and upload pictures to Tom's Hardware! Can't wait to finally be a part of the #pcmasterrace!
Wait...what about mini-ITX? Is it worth it?

Would you mind if I asked you a couple more solutions on this thread as the parts start rolling in?
 

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OK...it's been a while...but I have just a few more questions.

I found a brand-new, in-box R9 390X on Kijiji for $275 CAD. Would the performance gains over the 970 be worth the 75 bucks? It would be safer than going with a used card. It also should be just a little cheaper than the base model RX 480...$199 converts to $255 CAD, and with tax and all...by going with the 390X, I will be able to avoid the mad rush on launch day. Leaked benchmarks put the 480 above a GTX 980, which is slightly above a 390X. Will I really notice any 1080p performance increases at 60Hz? Which card do you think I should go for? Should I save a lot of money and go for a 970? A 390X? Wait for the 480?

Also...I keep changing the case. I've narrowed it down to two options: the NZXT H440 and the Fractal Design Define R5. The H440 looks slightly better to me, but the R5 is apparently really quiet, beginner-friendly, and better for cable management. Which would you recommend?

Thank you so much.

 
My pricing for the RX 480 was just a guess. The 390X puts out a lot of heat. You might like that depending on how far north you live :) Definitely don't put it in a small ITX case. The performance between the two will probably be very close. I would go with the newer, more efficient, quieter RX 480. I have the R5 and it is very nice. I've never seen the H440, but I think I read the quality of the R5 is better. Watch some youtube videos on both cases and read the reviews at Newegg and Amazon. Both cases are very popular.
 
The r5 is a stunningly well designed case, quiet & with great preinstalled cooling.

& You asked about remote desktop to your laptop??

Did you mean game streaming as in using your laptop to play games installed on your new desktop??

If so then yes , steam streaming works perfectly for that.
I regularly stream games to my ivy i5 mini PC (Intel HD graphics) in the living room & it works perfectly.

CPU/gpu power doesn't really matter , you just need to have a good solid home network connection
 

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I want my video card to last me at least three to four years...the longer the better. Will the investment in the extra video RAM on the 390X be worth it? I feel like the Canadian price for the 480 is going to be ridiculous...



 

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All right, thank you! But what about from another place? Say...someone else's home?
 

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I'm beginning to order my components...and I'm realizing how divided I am on the motherboard.

I found these two on Newegg, and they seem like the best deals I can really find:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128863

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813132571

Both have really good reviews. The main differences are that the Gigabyte mobo is geared for gaming and also is on the H170 chipset, while the Asus is a Z170. My CPU isn't overclock-able, but it would be nice to be able to upgrade to an unlocked Kaby Lake CPU or something in the future. Plus, the Z170 board looks really nice and is packed with features.

Which one?
 

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