Enable thermal throttling on AMD FX9590?

hoggleboggle · Jun 15, 2016

I made the mistake of buying an amd FX9590, quite possibly the worst processor ever made. I am running it on an asus crosshair v formula-z mobo with a large closed loop water cooler with 4 x 140mm fans on a push-pull arrangement and I simply can't get it to run stabile under heavy loads before it shuts down at around 80degrees C. I have enabled cool'n'quiet and every other setting I could find to manage it but for some reason thermal throttling won't kick in making this machine useless for rendering. Anybody have and idea how I can get thermal throttling to work so I can leave the machine rendering overnight?

DonkeyOatie · Jun 15, 2016

The CPU is knife-edge tricky. I would simply underclock to get a stable speed that will do what you want. That will also make the behavior more predictable.

hoggleboggle · Jun 15, 2016

I am currently undervolting the CPU and that helps a bit but for some reason thermal throttling won't kick in which should stop the whole rig from overheating. I wonder if there is a setting I am missing?

MeanMachine41 · Jun 15, 2016

I have two systems running FX-9590 on CVFZ and H110 AIO. I have both running at 5.00GHZ and nearly two years stable.
I use ACAD and render some large 3D files at times, although I have never had to leave my system running all night.

You obviously have Bios experience but maybe I can suggest a few Bios Tweaks to help with stability. If you wish?
LLC and Current Capability play a large part.

I assume you have stress tested your system fully?
What frequency are you currently running?

As far as thermal throttling is concerned. The only Auto throttling as I know of is AMD turbo core ratio which I don't use, but I don't think that is what you are referring to.
The system I use for Rendering and Gaming idles at around 10-15C above ambient room temperature and goes up to 65C-70c max when Gaming.
I have Cool and Quite disabled and fan profiles Tweaked to run at max, should temps reach 65C. Same for GPU.
Mine would shut down at 80C too cause I have it set that way.
My pump can be noisy when controller kicks in with the fans as well, but I don't mind.

hoggleboggle · Jun 16, 2016

MeanMachine41 :

I'll get a snapshot of my bios configuration when I get a moment if you could cast your eye on it and let me know how it differs from yours it would be great! As it stands at the moment i am saving up to chuck the whole lot in the bin and buy an intel setup.

MeanMachine41 · Jun 16, 2016

I also read all the hype about FX-9590 when they first came out. I managed to pick mine up cheap in a package deal so took the challenge.
What was your reason? lol.
I new it was a beast of a processor with 220 tdp but got one for posterity being end of life and all but was determined to tame it.
I thought at the time that cooling it would be an issue so went for the first time with an AIO cooler. I read everything I could on the EUFI bios and went to work. I for one have not been disappointed and have helped many at ROG to get stable. I will have a look at your Bios settings and assist if I can.

As you know the FX-9590 is basically a selectively binned FX-8350 with better voltage regulator. The MB has to be a top one as you have.
Unfortunately as is with Intel, you don't always get a decent sample of silicone chip and at one stage some batches that were shipped, did not meet the spec.
I have been asked time and time again by others for my exact Bios config but it did not work for all of them and some guys did not believe I achieved 5.2GHz stable and I had to prove it. So I did. I love showing my verified results. The only reason I run at 5.0GHz is the VRMs which got too hot under load. I have since solved that problem.
There are many out there who have had great success with this chip but some who don't know its requirements have been disappointed.

I would like to view your Bios. Use F12 when in Bios which will save to a USB stick. Link the url from your host site and post the snap shots here or to my mail inbox here at TOMs.
You never know, I might save you a few bucks or a lot.

madmatt30 · Jun 16, 2016

If you have a 280mm rad then its not fitted properly or its faulty - that should handle the 9590 easily IMO.

What actual cooling setup is it??

hoggleboggle · Jun 17, 2016

MeanMachine41 :

I also read all the hype about FX-9590 when they first came out. I managed to pick mine up cheap in a package deal so took the challenge.
What was your reason? lol.
I new it was a beast of a processor with 220 tdp but got one for posterity being end of life and all but was determined to tame it.
I thought at the time that cooling it would be an issue so went for the first time with an AIO cooler. I read everything I could on the EUFI bios and went to work. I for one have not been disappointed and have helped many at ROG to get stable. I will have a look at your Bios settings and assist if I can.

As you know the FX-9590 is basically a selectively binned FX-8350 with better voltage regulator. The MB has to be a top one as you have.
Unfortunately as is with Intel, you don't always get a decent sample of silicone chip and at one stage some batches that were shipped, did not meet the spec.
I have been asked time and time again by others for my exact Bios config but it did not work for all of them and some guys did not believe I achieved 5.2GHz stable and I had to prove it. So I did. I love showing my verified results. The only reason I run at 5.0GHz is the VRMs which got too hot under load. I have since solved that problem.
There are many out there who have had great success with this chip but some who don't know its requirements have been disappointed.

I would like to view your Bios. Use F12 when in Bios which will save to a USB stick. Link the url from your host site and post the snap shots here or to my mail inbox here at TOMs.
You never know, I might save you a few bucks or a lot.

Here is the snapshot of my current setup which runs rock solid until I start something processor intensive like rendering: http://
This is the culmination of over a year of problems with AMD chips where I have replaced virtually every item in the machine and had the processor and motherboard swapped under warranty.

hoggleboggle · Jun 17, 2016

madmatt30 :

apologies, got my fan size mixed up. It is running a Raijintek Triton with 4x 120mm fans (not 140mm) mounted at the top of my case. Had a corsair h100i before but for some reason it kept causing the system to crash and lock-up so I had to ditch it.

helpstar · Jun 17, 2016

Which bios version is installed?
The latest is version 2201 for your board.

Check if the cooler is installed correctly with just a tiny bit of thermal paste. "Pea method"

hoggleboggle · Jun 17, 2016

helpstar :

bios is 2201 and cooler was installed using the pea method so shouldn't be a problem there.

MeanMachine41 · Jun 17, 2016

hoggleboggle :

I would like you to try a few changes to Bios.
Go to>Extreme Tweaker Menu. We are going to try for 4.8GHz.
CPU ratio: 24 = 4.8GHz (use the +or- keys)
Ai Overclock Tuner>set to Manual
AMD Turbo Core Technology> Disable.
CPU/NB Frequency > 2200MHz
>Digi+Power Control
Load Line Calibration: High 75%
CPU Current Capability: 120%
CPU Power Phase Control: Manual Adjustment
CPU Power Switching Frequency: Manual
VRM Fixed Frequency Mode: 300KHz
CPU Power Duty Control: Extreme
CPU Power Response: Medium
CPU VDDA voltage>2.55v

Disable EPU

Go to Tool Menu->Asus SPD information]
Note your XMP profile. Write down Primary Timings and voltage info.
Go to>Extreme Tweaker Menu>Dram Timing Control
Manually enter the first four timings,and set the Command Rate.
Don't change any other frequencies or voltages and leave all other settings on auto for now. There static values will be entered once you are stable. Do not make any arbitrary changes.
Save and exit Bios. The system will switch off momentarily and make the adjustments. Cross fingers.
If successful, save the profile in your BIOS profile page and call it 'stable'

Conduct a stress test and post the results. Use AIDA64 and HWMonitor and set them up like this http://i.imgur.com/MurCQWh.jpg Sellect CPU and FPU only.
From this I can see if your PSU (voltage droop) and that temps are OK.
Take the screen shots during stress test and before it reaches 70C.
Stop the test before temps reach 80C.

As you have made previous changes to Bios and I don't know what they are, You may have to set Bios back to default if you can't remember the changes you made.
You mentioned you had a Corsair H100i for cooling, What do you have now?

hoggleboggle · Jun 17, 2016

MeanMachine41 :

hoggleboggle :

I would like you to try a few changes to Bios.
Go to>Extreme Tweaker Menu. We are going to try for 4.8GHz.
CPU ratio: 24 = 4.8GHz (use the +or- keys)
Ai Overclock Tuner>set to Manual
AMD Turbo Core Technology> Disable.
CPU/NB Frequency > 2200MHz
>Digi+Power Control
Load Line Calibration: High 75%
CPU Current Capability: 120%
CPU Power Phase Control: Manual Adjustment
CPU Power Switching Frequency: Manual
VRM Fixed Frequency Mode: 300KHz
CPU Power Duty Control: Extreme
CPU Power Response: Medium
CPU VDDA voltage>2.55v

Disable EPU

Go to Tool Menu->Asus SPD information]
Note your XMP profile. Write down Primary Timings and voltage info.
Go to>Extreme Tweaker Menu>Dram Timing Control
Manually enter the first four timings,and set the Command Rate.
Don't change any other frequencies or voltages and leave all other settings on auto for now. There static values will be entered once you are stable. Do not make any arbitrary changes.
Save and exit Bios. The system will switch off momentarily and make the adjustments. Cross fingers.
If successful, save the profile in your BIOS profile page and call it 'stable'

Conduct a stress test and post the results. Use AIDA64 and HWMonitor and set them up like this http://i.imgur.com/MurCQWh.jpg Sellect CPU and FPU only.
From this I can see if your PSU (voltage droop) and that temps are OK.
Take the screen shots during stress test and before it reaches 70C.
Stop the test before temps reach 80C.

As you have made previous changes to Bios and I don't know what they are, You may have to set Bios back to default if you can't remember the changes you made.
You mentioned you had a Corsair H100i for cooling, What do you have now?

I set up the bios as you listed (With the exception of the Command Rate which was listed as 3 but all I could select was 2T) after resetting the Bios to default. this is as far as I got before the machine just switched itself off: http://
I am currently running a Raijintek Triton 240 which I might swap for an antek H1200
Had to switch back to my previous settings as this one was too unstable.
Thanks for all your help BTW. Very much appreciated!!!!

madmatt30 · Jun 17, 2016

I have no idea why meanmachibe is pushing pushing you to actually overclock the base clock & up llc levels which will actually increase load voltage & temps!

You have a cooling issue mate, where are you reading those 80c temps??

The triton is between the h100i & h110 performance wise & you should not hit more than 60c under stress testing IMO.

maxwellmelon · Jun 17, 2016

http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2122665/understanding-temperature-amd-cpus-apus.html

cpu wont throttle till thermal margin get to 0 or a - number.

don't go by the socket temp which is what your looking like your trying to do its inaccurate way for amd cpus.

maxwellmelon · Jun 17, 2016

question is this your mb? https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/CROSSHAIR_V_FORMULAZ/overview/

please tell me no because if it is you need a new motherboard. this does not support 220 watt cpus

helpstar · Jun 17, 2016

This Board supports the 9590 have, a look at the CPU compatibility list on your posted link.
Have a look at the margin temp. With amd overdrive

MeanMachine41 · Jun 17, 2016

maxwellmelon :

Taipei, Taiwan (2 September, 2013) — ASUS today announced that its existing 990FX-based motherboards all support the new flagship AMD FX-9000 Series processors at memory speeds up to 2400MHz, without the need for a BIOS update.
The ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z, Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 and M5A99FX Pro R2.0 motherboards all feature AM3+ Socket with full support for AMD’s extreme-performance FX-9370 and FX-9590 processors. With eight-cores and unlocked clock speeds up to 5GHz, the FX-9000 Series requires incredible amounts of power and generates considerable heat — AMD recommends a 1200W power supply and liquid processor cooling.
Existing ASUS 990FX motherboards not only take the FX-9000 Series in their stride, straight from the box, but also support rock-solid stability at memory speeds up to 2400MHz with selected DDR3 DIMM kits[1] — something that currently cannot be attained by 990FX-based motherboards from other vendors.
“ASUS is a market leader in the motherboard industry, thanks to the quality and innovation of its products,” said Roy Taylor, Corp Vice President of Global Channel Sales at AMD. “The out-of-the-box support for AMD FX-9000 Series processors offered by its 990FX-based motherboards is further proof of the solid design and high-quality components for which ASUS has long been renowned. In fact it’s so good, I used the same motherboard in my PC at home.”

http://rog.asus.com/10382013/news/asus-announces-full-support-for-amd-fx9590-and-fx9370-processors-with-existing-990fx-based-motherboards/

MeanMachine41 · Jun 17, 2016

madmatt30 :

MeanMachine not meanmachibe (I assume a typo) Has listed suggested changes to Bios dependent on the OPs cooling and the question was asked: Quote: You mentioned you had a Corsair H100i for cooling, What do you have now?

Running at those settings is not going to kill his PC and stress testing with the suggested method would identify his thermal efficiency.
MeanMachine does not push anyone to adopt his suggestions and is only trying to help with something constructive.

MeanMachine41 · Jun 17, 2016

I set up the bios as you listed (With the exception of the Command Rate which was listed as 3 but all I could select was 2T) after resetting the Bios to default. this is as far as I got before the machine just switched itself off: http://
I am currently running a Raijintek Triton 240 which I might swap for an antek H1200
Had to switch back to my previous settings as this one was too unstable.
Thanks for all your help BTW. Very much appreciated!!!! ]

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Corsair H115i has 280mm radiator and dual SP140L PWM fans Fan airflow: 104.65 CFM
Corsair H110i has 280mm radiator and dual SP140L PWM fans Fan airflow: 113 CFM
Antec H1200 has 275mm radiator and standard 120 mm aftermarket fans.
Raijintek Triton 240 has 240mm radiator and two 120mm fans and prone to leaks. Read the review comments of owners here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA66Z29F0630&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=11552995&PID=2012219&SID=
Corsair tops my list.

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madmatt30 · Jun 18, 2016

MeanMachine41 :

as indeed a typo mate (mobile) & I did not mean to come across as agressive at all.

Just this seems to be a temperature problem & upping voltage & clocks is not going to help until we ascertain what the actual problem is.
the facts are though

1.Any amd/cpu combo should a throttle clocks automatically at 72c unless something has been expressly disabled in bios.
2. The trition (for all its negative reviews regarding leaks etc) is a good cooler & performs on a par with the corsairs

He should not be seeing 80c temps full stop.

MeanMachine41 · Jun 18, 2016

Lets not go head to head with this madmatt30 as you know we all have our opinions.
We can agree that his temps are high and ideally should be 60-65C or there about under load, taking into account ambient room temperature.

Simple physics should tell you that a H110i has a larger radiator and two 140mm fans that can be controlled as compared to Tritons two 120mm static fans and a smaller radiator. The Triton is not a bad cooler but not as good as Corsairs solution and the only reason people get the Triton is its looks its price and can be added to an open loop. As you stated there are all those negative reviews and not all of them are wrong especially when the cooling block sits right above the graphic card. If you have factual evidence to the contrary, then I would like to know about them. Otherwise its just an opinion.

In the mean time, Peace brother and your avatar maybe played a part as you coming across aggressive.LOL

madmatt30 · Jun 18, 2016

I just think he has an underlying issue somewhere
He had a corsair h100 before the triton & was getting lockups with that & now with the triton.

While theyre not the absolute best coolers they should both be good enough for the 9590 .
I've used the triton on a 8350@4.6ghz & max temp was 58c so 80c on a 9590 even is way way more than it should be.
I think raijintek had some quality control issues on odd batches of the triton , newer models have different tubing & fastenings so its not an issue anymore.
The actual cooling performance of the triton though has never really been an issue IMO.

MeanMachine41 · Jun 18, 2016

My experience with the FX-9590 and cooling issues leads me to believe that if you are going to OC the Beast, you had better equip yourself with a decent AIO to the equivalent of the Corsair H110 or you won't get passed stock 4.7GHz. And an air cooler is not the way to go.

I have two systems using FX-9590, The first one I built had the H105 and could max OC to 5.2GHz stable, as I installed a small fan behind the CPU on the backplate. The only reason I backed it of to 5.0GHz was because of the VRMs which I felt were too hot using my temperature probe.

The second unit I built, I installed the H110i and found little difference but no backplate fan. To tame the beast took me many hours of Tweaking in Bios and stress testing till I got it right. But that's what OCing is all about right. frustrating fun!!!

madmatt30 · Jun 18, 2016

No argument there, although I'd argue its more fun pushing an 8320 to 4.5/4.6ghz than it is dealing with the fx9*** CPU's full stop.

He isn't trying to overclock though , just run at stock stable.
We both know the board shouldn't be an issue at all, the triton to me is good enough for stock speeds easily , it shouldn't be getting past low 60s & the fact is the CPU should be throttling past 72c anyway.
The fact it isnt is worrying & needs further investigation .

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