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I own an IT business. We see thousands of computers per year. I was excited to see the new m.2 drives performance and was impressed by their form factor. Yet, I have seen dozens of failed m.2 drives coming into my shop. Their reliability has got me worried. I have seen no less than 30 failed mac book pro drives, all covered under warranty still. I am wondering if anybody else has noticed this issue.
 
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This is pretty much exclusive to Apple actually. Even ultrabooks like the Razer Blade Stealth do not have this issue because the engineers at competing companies actually put some thought into the cooling.

The "super" drive as they call it isn't really "super" in any way, it's pretty much just Apple branding jargon. Don't get me wrong, those are still NVMe drives in there, but Apple hasn't yet opted to go even for the best available in the industry for their top-end...
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That's because Apple build quality is crap. The chips on the actual SSDs need at least some cooling (hence why SSD manufacturers put TIM between 2.5" SSD casing and the chips, and why PCIe SSDs have heatsinks), and if you consider the cooling the macbooks (even the pros) get, it's not surprising they're dying.
 
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That's what i have been seeing. They are melting. I think it also may be the fact that apple went with an m.2 "super" drive. Or an overclocked m.2, combine that with the abysmal cooling capacity of the laptop in such a confined space and you get liquid data.

 
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SSDs are still a very new and developing technology. So understandably they are all seeing issues and discovering design flaws along the way. A surprising number of newer SSD are actually now seeing firmware issues developing, and they are discovering that NAND memory doesn't retain data nearly as well as they once thought. Especially during long periods of being powered off. By the time SSDs start completely replacing HDDs I'd suspect they will have worked out a lot of the bugs and begin building more durable units. For now the short longevity is the unfortunate trade off of the fast speed.
 
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This is pretty much exclusive to Apple actually. Even ultrabooks like the Razer Blade Stealth do not have this issue because the engineers at competing companies actually put some thought into the cooling.

The "super" drive as they call it isn't really "super" in any way, it's pretty much just Apple branding jargon. Don't get me wrong, those are still NVMe drives in there, but Apple hasn't yet opted to go even for the best available in the industry for their top-end Macbooks (at the moment the Samsung 950 Pro).
 
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Apple design has been pissing me off for quite some time. Why would you solder Ram to a motherboard? Ram can fail, now you need to get a whole new MB if you want more or if one chip has a bad day. Not only that, but apple deems it necessary to change pin layouts every 5 minutes, so the cost of production goes through the roof and their replacement boards cost almost as much as the laptop its self. And don't get me started on the glued together displays that seem to be made with prop glass that breaks under the lightest amount of pressure. Screen replacement used to cost $65, now it costs $400!

They claim it was necissary to shrink the size, yet somehow samsung managed to create a laptop with more power than MBP's, at the same size with replaceable ram, full size 2.5 ssd and a clasp and screw display.
 
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