4-way SLI EVGA GTX 980 Ti CLASSIFIED

salomoneliseo

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Hello everyone, I am new around here and wanted to share an issue that I have that I can’t fix. I have an ASUS Z97-WS motherboard and 4 EVGA GTX 980 Ti CLASSIFIED video cards that I am trying to put together along with an intel core i7 4770 (non K)
On the motherboard manual and on the specs online it says that it supports 4 way SLI 8X,8X,8X,8X. The issue is that the BIOS only sees 3 video cards all the time showing PCI express slot #4 empty and the configuration shows 8x,8x,16x which is correct for a 3 way SLI. I have updated the video drivers to the most recent ones, I have tried the older ones and none seems to work. I also flashed the BIOS thinking that it could fix it. I shuffled the cards around just in case and nothing. On the Nvidia control panel it only sees 3 cards and 2 working in SLI (I think due to the bridge and having SLOT 4 not working) it says in a notation: use proper bridge to enable SLI. (BUT STILL ONLY 3 VIDEO CARDS ARE DETECTED) On device manager, on that tree on the left, I click on video display adapters and it drops to only show 3 video cards also.
I have a 1600 w PSU and seems to handle everything with no issues.
I don’t know if this could be a processor issue, maybe the i7 4770 can’t handle all 4 video cards? Not sure about that. Or it could be a bad motherboard where SLOT #4 is not working at all?

PS: 2 way and 3 way SLI is working fine.

Any help is appreciated guys.

Thanks in advance for any intel or ideas on how to fix this
 

Vellinious

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The motherboard must have a PLX chip, as it supports 4 way SLI.

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/Z97WS/specifications/

4 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (dual x16 or x16/x8/x8 or quad x8)
1 x PCIe 2.0 x4 (x4 mode) *2
2 x PCIe 2.0 x1

The lanes aren't the problem.
 
Can 4 way SLI be done with this motherboard and CPU?

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't believe so. Your CPU only has 16 PCIe lanes, and since the general consensus is that GPUs like the 980 Ti, can come close to saturating x8 lanes via the card's x16 interconnect (port on the GPU that plugs into the PCIe slot), that would equate to 32x or 32 lanes for four graphics cards. The only thing that confuses the heck out of me is that Asus did indeed promote this motherboard as capable of doing 4 way SLI or CrossFire. But I know of no LGA 1150 CPU that can access beyond 16 PCIe lanes. If I were to take a wild guess, I'd wonder if they intended 3 way SLI plus a 4th card for PhysX.

Question #1: Did you connect the auxiliary six pin PCIe connector on the motherboard? Please view Linus video below at time index 6:20 min:sec to see location on motherboard.

Question #2: Do you have any "pcie cards or m.2 storage" installed? The reason that I'm repeating ak47jar3d's question, is that installation of such storage can disable a PCIe slot on certain boards. In my Asus X99 Sabertooth motherboard, this is indeed the case.

Linus: ASUS Z97-WS - As Good as it Gets IMO...
Time index: 6:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UkIDk-lx6E

Asus Z97-WS manual
Jump to page: 177
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket1150/Z97-WS/Manual&QVL/E9146_Z97_WS.pdf

Can 3 way SLI be done with respectable improvement?

My guess is no. Checking the Intel Ark page, it shows that configuration for 3 way SLI is x8 / 4x / 4x, even though the antiquated NewEgg listing shows the motherboard being capable of a max configuration of x8 / x8 / x8 / x8 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132126).

Intel Ark webpage for i7-4770
http://ark.intel.com/products/75122/Intel-Core-i7-4770-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

What is the best way to accomplish 4 way SLI?

The best solution is to upgrade to an X99 chipset (LGA 2011v3 slot) motherboard and install a Haswell-E or Broadwell-E CPU.

i7-5930K (previous gen Haswell-E) cost $579.99 and $499.99 on NewEgg and MicroCenter (local pickup) respectively
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117403&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=5930k-_-19-117-403-_-Product
http://www.microcenter.com/product/437204/Core_i7-5930K_35_GHz_LGA_2011-V3_Processor

i7-6850K (current gen Broadwell-E) cost $649.99 on NewEgg and MicroCenter (local pickup)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117647&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=6850k-_-19-117-647-_-Product

! Please note that even with a 40 PCIe lane CPU, you'll have two major performance hindrances: (1) Both 6 core CPUs will be bottlenecked while trying to serve data to four graphics cards. This is why professional hardware reviewers normally use Intel i7-5960X (Haswell-E 8-core extreme CPU) in their rest rigs during 3-way and 4-way reviews. (2) 3 and 4 way GPU configurations have horrific performance scaling. The only individuals that I know who build and maintain such configurations are those that do folding @ home or graphics rendering and exporting. But I'm sure this is not what you're trying to achieve because you wouldn't enable SLI for those purposes.

What would I do:


Honestly, I would sell 2 out of 4 of the 980 Ti's. I would place those two cards in the current Z97 motherboard and call it a day. I would take the proceeds from the sale and put in a safe place for when the 1080 Ti's comes out. The proceeds should be enough to buy you one 1080 Ti at that time. Used prices are falling in step with the discounted new 980 Ti's.


NewEgg sale on Ebay of new EVGA 980 Ti classified
US $409.99
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-980-Ti-DirectX-12-06G-P4-0998-KR-6GB-384-Bit-GDDR5-PCI-Express-/291727190812?hash=item43ec4bab1c:g:TtAAAOSwh-1W5Ciy

NewEgg new EVGA 980 Ti classified
$459.99 after $30.00 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487146
 

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Your board is 4 way SLI capable. Which means it has a PLX chip, increasing the number of lanes available, outside of the CPU. The CPU only having 16 lanes doesn't stop it from handling 4 cards if the motherboard is designed and can handle more.

Your problem is NOT the lanes.
 
+Vellinious What exactly is PXL? I'd never heard of it before. From my google query below, my vague understanding is that the chip virtualizes the PCIe slots? Is that somewhat accurate?

google query: asus plx chip
google result:

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?81623-Which-ASUS-boards-have-the-PLX-chip-for-16x16-GPU-s

"PLX" is a bit of a misnomer, PLX Technologies is (was) a manufacturer of circuit components like PCIe switches and PCIe bridges and PCIe multiplexers. What "PLX" or "PLX chip" means to most people is a chip which splices a single physical PCIe slot (or lane, or group of lanes) into more logical PCIe slots or lanes.

Short version is that it doesn't matter how many physical slots are mounted on the motherboard or how many lanes can be allocated in the BIOS because the processor can simultaneously address a maximum of 40 PCIe 3.0 lanes worth of bandwidth under best conditions. There are zero performance gains once PCIe 3.0 devices saturate all these lanes (in fact, there are minor performance losses since the PLX processing part adds signal latency and complicates timings, the increased signal traffic adds packet envelope overheads, and the increased signal collisions/errors require more packets get resent). So you might be able to install four GPU cards in a PLX x16/x16/x16/x16 configuration but actual performance will be comparable to (actually worse than) a non-PLX x16/x8/x8/x8 configuration. (And, besides, even mighty 980Ti and TitanX GPU cards at full load can hardly saturate >8 PCIe 3.0 lanes in practice, especially if they're directly interlinked off the PCIe bus with a CF/SLI bridge.) Just gotta wait for future Intel processors with more integrated PCIe 3.0 lane controllers. "

- by Korth (12-30-2015 08:54 AM)
 

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Short version: It adds PCIe lanes.....they do that, so your CPU that can only handle 16 lanes, can do more than 2 way SLI. WIthout it, you wouldn't even be running 3 way, because, SLI requires at least 8x lanes.
 

salomoneliseo

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Thanks everyone for all the information provided. It's been very helpful. I have decided to upgrade to an X99 board along with an i7 5930k or 5960X for better performance and to be up to date. I will prob sell 2 of my 980s and keep two of them to later upgrade to the 1080s. In the meantime 3-way is working with no problems with very smooth gaming results. Thanks again