Final check to my (gaming-working) rig

orasio2 · Jul 4, 2016

Hello, with a budget of 1400 € i have chosen the following components:
PSU: XFX 650W p1-650g-TS3X 80+ Gold
CPU: i7-6700k
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Extreme 4
RAM: Corsair Ven. k2 3600 Mhz DDR4
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO
HDD: WD10EZEX 1Tb 7200 rpm / 64mb cache
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper T4
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 1070
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Plus i have to decide a case and a monitor (FHD 144hz).
Any suggestion about the components?
There is something that has to be changed?
Any suggestion about case and monitor?
Right now, with this components, i still have 200€
I don't care about the case, but it has to fit the hyper T4 which has an height of 15.5cm...
I'm from Italy, so i can't buy from newegg :/
I also know that i'm on over budget with a FHD 144hz monitor, so any low-budget counterpart will be also good

I need i7 because i'll not use this rig only for gaming, and also i need a Nvidia CUDA GPU.
PS: To be honest, i don't really care about overclock, should i go for a "non - k" i7? If so, what should i change? Will the 3600 Mhz ram be supported by a "non - k" i7?
Thank you !

g1abhi · Jul 4, 2016

if you decide to drop to a non overclock version , any h170 board / B 150 board will do. Ram will be fixed at 2133Mhz . Also you will lose capability to SLI in future . You can use a 3600Mhz RAM , but it will be throttled to 2133Mhz by the board. You can still buy a z170 board with a 3600Mhz ram to use it on full speed , but there are hardly any performance difference to go for it. Your primary factor should be your choice of Future upgrade whether you want to SLI or not.

g1abhi · Jul 4, 2016

U havent mentioned anythign about why you need an i7 for work , what kind of work you do? hours of compilation, rendering , 3D modelling. I can advise only based on ur work profile , if i7 K is for you or not.

orasio2 · Jul 4, 2016

g1abhi :

In future i will stay with a single GPU, so i don't care about SLI.

g1abhi :

I need it for tons of Virtual machines. I don't need K, but i need a well-performing ram (more then 3000 Mhz).
To be honest i was a bit confused about max frequency handled by the motherboard. So if i have to pick the Z170 chipset to use higher frequencies, i'll go for it. And so, assuming that i have a Z170 motherboard, it's a good deal to spend 40+ € for i7 "k"? (I'll never do overclock...)

g1abhi · Jul 4, 2016

I am no expert in virtualization areas but AFAIK for virtualization the amount of RAM matters , frequency is hardly affecting any performance.
And as far as i have read on performance scaling with frequency:
http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-intel-z170-finding-the-best-ddr4-memory-kit-speed_170340/6
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8959/ddr4-haswell-e-scaling-review-2133-to-3200-with-gskill-corsair-adata-and-crucial
the sweet spot is 2666Mhz and spending double the amount for 3600Mhz is not advisable as the gains are almost non existent and between 1-2% for even the most memory intensive tasks. I would say rather spend on multiple SSDs to accelerate individual IO performance of each VM unless your tasks are purely computation bound inside each VM, which would again redistribute your budget to an i7 6800K.
Correct me if i am wrong , if in your experience VT has shown significant gains for higher clocked memory. There is also quad channel RAM configuration option for X99 motherboards , if RAM bandwidth is your criteria.

g1abhi · Jul 4, 2016

orasio2 :

well if you are so adamant about overclocking , just buy a locked processor. Its not a good deal in the sense that you are spending 40+ for the same component with same performance. And overclocking is quite easy and safe these days. All the software is provided along. A mild overclock is suggested, just 200Mhz boost is almost guaranteed stable.

orasio2 · Jul 5, 2016

g1abhi :

ok, thank you for your explanation.
By the way, due to lack of money

i think i'll buy Asrock z170 extreme4 because the difference (money) with a good h170 is not so big, an i7 6700 ("non - k, 30€ less") and a Zotac gxt 1070 (40€ less then the gigabyte version).
I know that gigabyte, msi, asus are better then this one but i have a limit (money

)
Zotac GTX 1070 is not so bad, is it?
Thank you again for your patience

-HH- · Jul 5, 2016

How does this compare for price?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($345.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($135.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: GeIL SUPER LUCE 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($92.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Founders Edition Video Card ($699.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1651.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-05 11:29 EDT-0400

orasio2 · Jul 5, 2016

-HH- :

I have to include in the budget the monitor.
By the way as said in the first post i'm from Italy and so i can't buy from newegg. If i consider italian tax (more or less +22% of the newegg price), the price of your build will rise up to 2000€ without monitor!
I'm out of budget

Thank you anyway

(and wow! Very very nice build! xD)

g1abhi · Jul 6, 2016

orasio2 :

Yes , its fine. gigabyte, msi, asus , evga are considered better mainly because of their good after sales service. Zotac ones are usually a little more noisier that's all.

https://www.amazon.it/Samsung-C27F396-Monitor-Curvo-Full/dp/B01BCF09R0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1467862602&sr=8-2&keywords=samsung+freesync
https://www.amazon.it/Sapphire-21260-00-20G-Scheda-grafica-Expess/dp/B01H01E4CQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467862622&sr=8-1&keywords=480
For 550 bucks you get a 27" freesync curved full HD + graphics powerful enough to run it.

IF you dont prefer AMD , i would suggest to wait for 1060 launch, which is very close according to rumors and the paper launch is on 7th july and market launch on 14th july. That way you can control your expenses.

1070 is a very powerful card and indeed needs a good monitor to make it shine. full hd G-Sync will be more of a bottleneck, if you buy it to save costs, and 1070 is best paired with a 2k gsync monitor.

-HH- · Jul 7, 2016

I've just amended a couple of bits to my preferred selection

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (€345.00 @ Amazon Italia)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (€41.99 @ Amazon Italia)
Motherboard: Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€154.57 @ Amazon Italia)
Memory: GeIL SUPER LUCE 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€83.56 @ Amazon Italia)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€93.92 @ Amazon Italia)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€49.60 @ Amazon Italia)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Founders Edition Video Card (€519.00 @ Amazon Italia)
Case: Thermaltake Versa H22 Window ATX Mid Tower Case (€44.92 @ Amazon Italia)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€73.98 @ Amazon Italia)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer (€13.36 @ Amazon Italia)
Monitor: AOC i2769Vm 27.0" 60Hz Monitor (€242.47 @ Amazon Italia)
Total: €1662.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-07 09:34 CEST+0200

orasio2 · Jul 7, 2016

thank you to everybody, final build:
- PS 650W XFX P1-650G-TS3X 80+ Gold [P1-650G-TS3X] 1 59,93€
- MB Intel 1151 ASRock Z170M Extreme 4 4717677328905 [90-MXB0X0-A0UAYZ] 1 99,00€
- HD WD 3,5" 1000 GB 1TB 64MB WD WD10EZEX 1 39,10€
- Hyper T4 - 120 mm - Ventirad (RR-T4-18PK-R1) 1 21,89€
- ZOTAC GTX 1070 AMP EDITION 8GB 8192 MB GDDR5 [ZT-P10700C-10P] 1 384,43€
- CPU Intel Socket 1151 i7-6700 Ci7 Box (3,4GHz) con cooler [BX80662I76700] 1 233,61€
- memory D4 3200 16GB C16 Corsair Ven k2 [CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R] 1 63,17€
- SSD 2,5 250GB Samsung MZ-75E250B 850EVO 1 67,21€
- Case Aerocool V3X Advance Black Edition Midi-Tower - Nero [EN57332] 1 24,86€
Still confused about monitor

but what it's known is the budget left: more or less 200 €

g1abhi · Jul 7, 2016

last advice: I dont know if your budget is your self imposed limit or financial limit, but do not go for a full Hd 60hz monitor. Just cross this line for now, even if you have to skip one of your storage devices.
Go for a Gysnc or a 2k 60 hz minimum.

orasio2 · Jul 7, 2016

g1abhi :

Ok.. and what about a FHD 144hz monitor? I have only 250€ left and this is what i can afford ( i think... is there something better?)
By the way my limit is a financial limit, i'm out of money

g1abhi · Jul 11, 2016

orasio2 :

https://www.amazon.it/LG-25-25UB55-B-IPS-Monitor/dp/B00KTH1D2I/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1468211702&sr=1-2
https://www.amazon.it/Asus-VX24AH-2560x1440-Frameless-Certified/dp/B00QLL01BA/ref=sr_1_8?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1468211702&sr=1-8
https://www.amazon.it/LG-29UM57-LCD-Monitor-29/dp/B00UD0KZS4/ref=sr_1_14?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1468211702&sr=1-14
well i wud have gone 2k in that case and sticked with 60hz . But that depends on the games you play. For fast action games and FPS games , 144hz and gync are better choice , for RPG and strategy games, 2k and 4k is better since you have time to notice the world in higher detail and tearing is not much of an issue with vsync. 144hz does not eliminate tearing completely but its still better than 60hz.
The fact is tearing is more noticeable to some people and some people come to know about it only after seeing Gync and freesync. It like full hd vs QHD screens on mobiles , Its all fine unless you have seen the better technology.
What games you play ? do you notice tearing a lot?

orasio2 · Jul 11, 2016

i just became aware of its existences... But i think i will chose a 144hz monitor due to my FPS attitude

Again, thank you so much for helping a noob like me

now my rig will come soon

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