PC Build Advice: Node 202 GPU Cooling -- Is it really that bad?

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I'm currently building a gaming/development PC, looking to stick around the $1000 range and refusing to top $1150. What I'm aiming to achieve in this system: graphics intensive games on a 21:9 1080p monitor, excellent multitasking to run multiple (prob not more than 4) VM's in background while gaming, and a compact sleek appearance that makes the most of limited desk space and doesn't appear too gamer-y. Before I go any further here's my build:

___TL;DR___
Will my Gigabyte R9 390 G1 run too hot in a Node 202 running Ultra graphics on a 21:9 1080p?




PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($197.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI H110I Pro Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($72.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Silicon Power Slim S55 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($54.26 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Momentus 1TB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 390 8GB SOC Video Card (Purchased For $260.00)
Case: Fractal Design Node 202 HTPC Case w/450W Power Supply ($129.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($85.95 @ Amazon)
Monitor: LG 29UM58-P 29.0" 75Hz Monitor (Purchased For $186.00)
Keyboard: AZIO MGK1-K Wired Gaming Keyboard ($68.99 @ NCIX US)
Mouse: Thermaltake TALON Blue LED Wired Optical Mouse ($19.68 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1130.84

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I already have purchased the GPU and monitor as I thought it was a pretty good deal. A couple things that I would like advice on:

1) Is the GPU cooling on the Node 202 really as some make it seem? I've watched several video reviews by reputable hardware reviewers and the general consensus seems to be that its "not that bad" almost as if to downplay the Node 202's reputation of not having enough airflow to GPU. With a card as hot as the R9 390 pushing the extra pixels of a 21:9 I'm particularly wary of this. If I'm going to spend $1100 I don't want to regret any part of my build, and I especially don't want to have to buy a new case/PSU.

2) You might have noticed the 2.5" HDD included in there. This is a HDD from an older laptop that has been to rest, will there be any issues in compatibility using this HDD as a media drive? PCPartPicker didn't catch anything but for some reason I'm a tad skeptical since it's a little bit older at this point.

3) Any general advice is welcome. If you see anything at all like hardware that might prevent the system from meeting the needs I mentioned, opportunities to save some money, or you just want to share your opinion feel free.

 
In any small case, and regardless of airflow claims, I always recommend GPUs that exhaust hot air out the back of the case. With your R9.. it would be fine, but maybe throttle sooner than you would like if heat has built up. If you are able to return the 390, look toward a GTX 1060 or GTX 1070 with a reference design cooler (expels hot air out the back). Like this one => http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126104

A HDD is perfectly fine for media. No worries there.

Regarding your build...
MB - WiFi and BT built-in for not much more. http://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/asus-motherboard-b150iprogamingwifiaura,gigabyte-motherboard-gab150nphoenixwifi,gigabyte-motherboard-gah170nwifi,msi-motherboard-b150igamingproac/
MEM - H110 / H170 / B150 are "limited" to DDR4-2133. Look for standard modules at CL15 at 1.2v. http://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#s=402133&Z=16384002&sort=a10&page=1&m=11,12,17,23,28&t=14
SSD - Eh... Not the best performer even for being entry level. Look toward the Samsung EVO or Sandisk X400.
CASE - The case is fine, but the bundled PSU is a bit lacking. See if you can find a good ITX case you like without a PSU.
PSU - 450w or 550w is a good size here. Look toward XFX, Seasonic, the EVGA G2 lineup, or filter through the Tier 1 or Tier 2 list. www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html
 
R9-390 is an unfortunate choice for a small ITX build, it is power hungry and wants a 650w psu:
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
The upcoming GTX1060 would have been ideal.
Assuming you can't return the R9-390, what to do?

You could buy a stronger sfx psu like the Corsair SF-600, a $120 psu:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP3X94603

I like the case, but you might need to change it out.
Lian Li makes high quality ITX cases, many which use a standard ATX psu.
I have used the PC-Q08 which I think would do the job for you:
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-q08/

 

jvanaartsen

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Unfortunately I can't return the R9 390. Bummer actually because I just got a lil boner for that GTX 1060. First time I've heard of it.

From these responses I've decided to ditch ITX form factor. Here's a micro ATX version that I think would be a bit more tailored to my graphics card. Upgraded power supply and RAM, mATX mobo with the Fractal Core 1000 in place of the Node 202 (I guess the title doesn't apply anymore). I'm still skeptical of the Core 1000's ability to provide airflow, would I benefit from additional fans? A 92mm exhaust and 120mm side fan would be possible. Thoughts?

I've also got my eye on the Cooler Master Silencio 352 if that might be a better alternative.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($58.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Silicon Power Slim S55 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($54.26 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Momentus 1TB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 390 8GB SOC Video Card (Purchased For $260.00)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($85.95 @ Amazon)
Monitor: LG 29UM58-P 29.0" 75Hz Monitor (Purchased For $186.00)
Keyboard: AZIO MGK1-K Wired Gaming Keyboard ($68.99 @ NCIX US)
Mouse: Thermaltake TALON Blue LED Wired Optical Mouse ($19.68 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1070.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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