Is an upgrade from an FX 6300 to an I5 4460 worth it?

MankDemes · Jul 9, 2016

My fps chugs in GTA V when driving, which I know is caused by low CPU performance. I'm wondering if the upgrade would fix the issue? I'm also thinking about upgrading to a 1060 when it comes out. Would the I5 bottleneck the 1060?

Thanks!

MankDemes · Jul 9, 2016

Also, if I don't upgrade processors, would the 6300 bottleneck the 1060?

damric · Jul 9, 2016

The FX-6300 is going to lag in some scenarios, such as the one you mentioned, regardless of whether or not you upgrade your graphics card. The lag will be noticeably lessened by upgrading to an i5. It's simply a fact that most game engines still prefer the strong single threaded performance that modern Intel processors offer.

Why would you choose the old Haswell i5 over the better Skylake i5?

Hlsgsz · Jul 9, 2016

Yes an upgrade is very much merited, especially if you are getting a 1060.

THis is what you want, not older gen tech:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($197.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: *Gigabyte GA-B150M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: *GeIL EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $319.87
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EDIT: RAm is too cheap these days to be worth it to get older gen componenets just to keep some old DDR3.

MankDemes · Jul 9, 2016

Hlsgsz :

I have some relatively new ram. Here's a link to it: https://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-240-Pin-Desktop-F3-12800CL10D-16GBXL/dp/B006T0CHLA/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1468103248&sr=1-1&keywords=g.skill+ripjaws+x+series+16gb Would this be compatible?

MankDemes · Jul 9, 2016

Also, would a new mobo require an OS reinstall or anything like that?

Hlsgsz · Jul 10, 2016

That is DDR3 and will not work. You will have to reinstall the OS and convince microsoft to reactivate it if you have an OEM version as the activation is tied to the motherboard.

damric · Jul 10, 2016

Hlsgsz :

1) He isn't getting Haswell-E, so DDR3 will work with the above CPUs.
2) You don't necessarily need to re-install the OS.

Hlsgsz · Jul 10, 2016

damric :

1) OP asked if his RAM si compatible with teh build i suggested.
2) It's always a good idea to reainstall, especially since switching from AMD to Intel.

jtk2515 · Jul 10, 2016

I say OC the 6300 to the max and let it cook. If you upgrading anyway milk what you can out of that CPU. Hopefully you didn't buy a 50$ Motherboard with 4+1 VRM's on it.

MankDemes · Jul 10, 2016

damric :

I managed to find a motherboard which will support a 6500 (as I don't see the 6600 worth the extra because I won't overclock) from the same brand as my current motherboard. Will there be anything extra I need besides switching parts?

Hlsgsz · Jul 10, 2016

MankDemes :

damric :

I managed to find a motherboard which will support a 6500 (as I don't see the 6600 worth the extra because I won't overclock) from the same brand as my current motherboard. Will there be anything extra I need besides switching parts?

Get the parts in the build i linked. The 6600 isn't worth it indeed.

MankDemes · Jul 10, 2016

Hlsgsz :

MankDemes :

Get the parts in the build i linked. The 6600 isn't worth it indeed.

That's the exact motherboard I was looking at, except in DDR3. My budget is kinda limited here so I can't spend extra money on ram. I have a 500w PSU. Would it handle all of this plus the 1060?

Carbongrip · Jul 10, 2016

I think the op wants to keep his DDR3 so he probably would be better off with the older i5 4690. There really aren't any good motherboards with DDR3 for the skylake gen.

Hlsgsz · Jul 10, 2016

MankDemes :

Intel does not recommend using Skylake with normal DDR3 as that may fry the memory controller on the CPU.
If you really must keep your RAM(though i would recommend that you sell it and get DDR4 as it's cheap) the you should go with the older gen Haswell.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B85M-E45 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($59.99 @ B&H)
Total: $269.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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EDIT: whilw 500W is enough wattage, it depends on teh qulity of teh PSu as many cheap ones advertise 500W while in reality they output 350W max. What make and model is it?

MankDemes · Jul 10, 2016

EVGA 500 W1 80+, is my PSU. The ram probably won't break the bank, so I'll see if I can't go for it.

Hlsgsz · Jul 10, 2016

MankDemes :

It's not the best PSU, but it shoudl do for this low power machine.
I wholeheartedly recommend that you get DDR4 and teh latest Skylake. It's not like you upgrade taht often, so better get teh best bang/buck.
If you are really on that tight of a budget, get only 8 gigs for now and add anotehr 8 later when needed. Just make sure teh MB has 4 RAM slots.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($197.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: *Gigabyte GA-B150M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: *Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($30.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $298.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-10 22:42 EDT-0400

damric · Jul 12, 2016

Hlsgsz :

Intel has made no such statement. DDR3 works just fine with Skylake, and usually has better latency than DDR4 anyway.

There are very good Skylake DDR3 boards available. I would get his one that allows non-K overclocking, saving money by also getting a lower stock speed i5 and raising it to 4.6GHz which is the average overclock on air cooling for Skylake.

Once tuned, this setup will perform much better than a low end board with DDR4.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400T 2.2GHz Quad-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($156.95 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG M9i 48.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($33.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Gaming K4/D3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($119.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $310.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Hlsgsz · Jul 12, 2016

damric :

Hlsgsz :

Intel has made no such statement. DDR3 works just fine with Skylake, and usually has better latency than DDR4 anyway.

There are very good Skylake DDR3 boards available. I would get his one that allows non-K overclocking, saving money by also getting a lower stock speed i5 and raising it to 4.6GHz which is the average overclock on air cooling for Skylake.

Once tuned, this setup will perform much better than a low end board with DDR4.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400T 2.2GHz Quad-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($156.95 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG M9i 48.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($33.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Gaming K4/D3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($119.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $310.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-12 16:42 EDT-0400

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/skylake-memory-support,30185.html

damric · Jul 12, 2016

Hlsgsz :

damric :

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/skylake-memory-support,30185.html

I knew right away that you would quote that article.That's not Intel. That's MJ. If you do some google research, all of these false rumors around the internet circle around and around and eventually end up with MJ and his mysterious and absolutely unconfirmed "insider source" of which he won't show me the "email correspondence". I've dogged him to death over this for months. He's got nothing.

We had similar misinformation spread about the several previous Intel CPU architectures, people saying that they would break if we used 1.65v DDR3. Intel gave all of these CPUs including Skylake DDR3 memory dividers that go beyond 3000MT/s, of which none of them would work if indeed we were not supposed to add some voltage, which is still within the specifications of JEDEC.

Hlsgsz · Jul 12, 2016

damric :

Hmm, got it. I've found it quite strange that manufacturers make DDR3 boards because of the returns and PR nightmare they would be risking if the info in the article is legit. Now I'm thinking very very unpleasant thoughts about how that article might have come to be...
Regardless, honestly, would you personally "risk" it in your Skylake rig if you had one? I wouldn't. Hence, I cant bring myself to recommend that and would rather try and convince people to forget about and sell their DDR3, which, as you may imagine, is, more often than not, a hefty proposition.

All that being said, this merits further inquiring.

damric · Jul 12, 2016

Hlsgsz :

damric :

Hmm, got it. I've found it quite strange that manufacturers make DDR3 boards because of the returns and PR nightmare they would be risking if the info in the article is legit. Now I'm thinking very very unpleasant thoughts about how that article might have come to be...
Regardless, honestly, would you personally "risk" it in your Skylake rig if you had one? I wouldn't. Hence, I cant bring myself to recommend that and would rather try and convince people to forget about and sell their DDR3, which, as you may imagine, is, more often than not, a hefty proposition.

All that being said, this merits further inquiring.

Been running 1.65v DDR3 in my Skylake rig since the beginning of the year

Just shy of 2400MT/s CL9 is my stable setting for i3-6100 @4.6GHz.

http://valid.x86.fr/4wzi9c

damric · Jul 12, 2016

The other rampant Skylake false rumor this year was that you could no longer overclock non-K CPUs. I think that one has died down more recently as more people are seeing the overwhelming evidence that you can.

MankDemes · Jul 12, 2016

Ok so I'm confused. Is it ok to use the DDR3 or not..?

damric · Jul 13, 2016

MankDemes :

Not if you read all the hype

Your DDR3 will be fine though.

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