AMD's Compute Core

Joseph17 · Jul 16, 2016

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So i have read about this amd compute core thing, its basically just a technology letting the gpu speak cpu and let it do cpu work so technically 4cpu core + 6gpu cores=10(basically)cpu cores.
so its not only the 4 cpus doing most of the work and the gpus most of the time under utilized.

hsa technology:http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/processors-for-business/compute-cores

hsa download:https://github.com/HSAFoundation/HSA-Runtime-AMD

so i am wondering can i download the Hsa on my laptop apu?it has a 7th generation A10 9600p
and wondering if it is ok to run on my laptop.and if it will cause any malfunctions thanks in advance.

Ecky · Jul 16, 2016

There's no downloading it, some software simply offloads some work to the GPU. This isn't unique to AMD, nor is it unique to integrated graphics. Any PC with a GPU (even Intel integrated) will sometimes have the GPU to do some of the work, but the particular software you're using (e.g. Photoshop) has to be written to take advantage of it.

That particular marketing is just that - AMD marketing. Intel could just as easily say their Broadwell i7 is a 56 core CPU, because it has 48 weak "GPU cores" and 4 CPU cores with hyperthreading, but you and I both know that would be disingenuous.

Qalawun · Jul 24, 2016

Hello, my first time posting;

This maybe a bit off topic but AMD (the link posted in the question) don't tell you how to calculate the number ofncores your laptop has; the tech store don't do it either.... Maybe it's just canada

Could you explain howmmany cores does this laptop have:
Lenovo Thinkpad E465 - AMD A10-8700P,(2MB Cache, up to 3.2GHz)
14" - AMD RAdeon R6 graphics

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Full description

Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64
Operating System Language: Windows 10 Home 64 English
Microsoft Productivity Software: None
Display Panel: 14.0" HD(1366x768) LED backlit, AntiGlare, Black
Display: 14.0 HD(1366x768) TN Non-Touch
Graphics: AMD Radeon R6 M340DX 2GB
Memory: 8GB PC3-12800 DDR3L SDRAM 1600MHz SODIMM

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i am buying it for 1100$ with 16 gb ram...
Wondering if inshould go for R7 graphics?

Ecky :

Ecky · Jul 24, 2016

The FX 8700P is a 4-core CPU with 384 shaders. On a desktop, it would be a roughly $75 (very low end) CPU, and both R6 and R7 graphics are decidedly low-end too. In my opinion, that laptop as-configured is worth something like $450-600.

If you're looking for something to game with, you really want an Intel CPU with nVidia discrete graphics, something like a Core i5 or i7 with GTX960M or 970M.

Qalawun · Jul 24, 2016

Ecky :

Thank you for your reply Ecky,

Well actually, the only game I usually play is Age of Empires or RUnescape (LOL!) but
I can be very extreme at multitasking---
Sometimes I will have 5 youtube tabs + 4 Adobe Files + 2 MS word and 7 Mozilla firefox tabs , 10 Google Chrome tabs open -- I know I have more than enough RAM (16GB) but I do not want to experience LAG.....
For example, my brother's desktop gaming cpu opens Youtube instantly and doesn't lag even when over 14GB RAM is in usage... Obviously, I am not asking for the same for a laptop but if I could have a fraction of that fluidness I'd really appreciate it...

Secondly, for Runescape the NXT client--the creators of the Game advise the following:
CPU: Dual Core, AMD PHENOM II or Intel i3/i5 CPU, 2.4+ GHz

RAM 4GB+

GPU: GeForce 400x series, Intel HD 4x Series, AMD Radeon 7xxx series.

Storage: Atleast 8GB of storage available for the NXT client Cache
I bought the following laptop 12 hours ago... I have 36 hours to cancel it or I will be charged for shipping. Please advise. Also, I WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM INTEL PLEASE (For reasons we can discuss another time but my reasons for staying away from INTEL have nothing to with its supreme performance)
I also am a student so I really need 14.0 inch and ultrabook or a little close to ultra book.

I would love to hear your opinion/perspective on my recent purchase, Ecky,

Take Care

Processor: AMD A10-8700P Processor (2MB Cache, up to 3.2GHz)
Weight: 4.34 lbs
Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64
Operating System Language: Windows 10 Home 64 English
Microsoft Productivity Software: None
Display Panel: 14.0" HD(1366x768) LED backlit, AntiGlare, Black
Display: 14.0 HD(1366x768) TN Non-Touch
Graphics: AMD Radeon R6 M340DX 2GB
Memory: 16GB PC3-12800 DDR3L SDRAM 1600MHz SODIMM
Security Chip: Software TPM
TPM Setting: Software TPM Enabled
Keyboard: Keyboard - English
Pointing Device: UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) without Fingerprint Reader
Camera: 720p HD Camera with MIC
Hard Drive: SSD 128 GB
Battery: 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery, 47Wh
Power Cord: 65W AC Adapter - US(2pin)
Wireless: Broadcom Wireless 11AC, Bluetooth Version 4.0
Language Pack: Publication - English
Warranty: 1 Year Depot or Carry-in

\Price of Purchase: $1149.00 CAD with taxes

Ecky · Jul 24, 2016

It's not a bad laptop, but it looks to me like it was priced about twice as high as it should be. $1100 is high-end laptop territory, in my opinion, and Carizzo is still a decidedly low-end product.

Until Carizzo, AMD's APUs were absolutely horrible in laptops. They got a fraction of the battery life, were prone to overheating, and performed far worse than Intel's offerings. Carizzo was a refresh of AMD's APU designs intended to improve things in mobile devices, and it helped a lot.

You might want to read Anandtech's review of Carizzo here:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10000/who-controls-user-experience-amd-carrizo-thoroughly-tested

Even so, performance is lower. Here's about how it stacks compared with Intel's offerings:

CPU performance:

GPU performance:

^ Even against Intel integrated graphics, AMD's APUs (R6 M340DX) falls well short, and performs poorly.

My opinion - don't buy an $1100 AMD laptop when a $600 Intel laptop will outperform it in just about every metric. However, if you're avoiding Intel, there's really not much you can do except find a laptop with the same chip in it for less money - which should be easy, as it has the specs of a laptop that I'd expect to see in the $500-600 range (aside from the SSD).

Qalawun · Jul 24, 2016

Ecky :

I see, I just read the AMD Carizzo link you gave me. I think I am beginning to understand. Okay so is it possible to find Carizzo in other than HP Elitebook?
Also, I guess I am willing to consider INTEL but the INTEL graphs you have posted, is it Intel's new processor?--The skylake? Because I wish to stay away from that please.

DSzymborski · Jul 24, 2016

Qalawun :

Ecky :

I see, I just read the AMD Carizzo link you gave me. I think I am beginning to understand. Okay so is it possible to find Carizzo in other than HP Elitebook?
Also, I guess I am willing to consider INTEL but the INTEL graphs you have posted, is it Intel's new processor?--The skylake? Because I wish to stay away from that please.

Any particular reason? It's easier to give advice when we understand your concerns.

Qalawun · Jul 24, 2016

DSzymborski :

Qalawun :

Any particular reason? It's easier to give advice when we understand your concerns.

This is true; It would be easier to give advice if it was tech related but it is not and I do not want to go not tangent in our conversation. ---sorry.

I appreciate for you getting back to me, Ecky &DSzymborski (lol sorry didn't notice a new person had entered this discussion); I will be sure to keeping in mind what you said.

On a separate note, any thoughts on the upcoming AMD ZEN architecture?

Ecky · Jul 24, 2016

As it stands, Zen looks to have between Intel's Sandy Bridge (year 2011, 2nd generation) and Haswell (2013, 4th generation) performance per clock. It's schedule to hit the market somewhere in 2017, after Intel's 7th generation Kaby Lake CPUs hit the market. Indication is that it will only be offered initially as a desktop CPU with 8 core / 16 thread configurations (and probably in servers). Clockspeed and performance per watt are completely unknown, but it will be using TSMC's 16nm process which so far (to my knowledge) has only been used only on low-clocked mobile parts such as smartphone CPUs.

Zen APUs will follow later in the year, but details are very sparing right now.

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