is the amd a10 same or better than i5 or i7

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While it is par for the course to dump on AMD depending on the build you are doing the A10 can make a lot of sense.

For example if you are doing a small low power build using integrated graphics mostly for internet, movie consumption, and light gaming the GPU built into the A10 is faster than the Intel 530 graphics in any i3, i5, or i7. For that type of system the A10 is a great all in one solution and can even have an advantage because its quad core over a similarly priced i3 in some productivity applications.

However for a real gaming build or any sort of higher performance build right now AMD is just not in the game.
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Ha Ha. Not even close.

Intel has what is called hyper-threading which allows a single CPU core to run two threads (basically processes/calculations) at once. This makes it kind of sort of like having 2 cores.
Intel's i3 is a dual core with hyper-threading but calls it a dual core.

AMD calls its version of hyper-threading "logical cores" as actual cores. Thus AMD calls its 2 physical core CPU a quad core due to its 4 "logical cores", so it calls an A10 a quad core.

Thus an A10 physically is already less then an i5 of i7.

Then throw in the fact that AMD architecture is much less efficient then an intel one. Its kind of like a 1960's 400 hp muscle car is much slower on a race track (one with turns) then a modern 400hp car because the modern car has better suspension and brakes, lighter body, and more gears/better ratio in transmission.

So at the end of the day a core i3 with the same core count will run applications faster with less heat and power draw then an A10.
 
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The current A10's and AthlonX4 860k are about the same as a FX 6XXX and FX 8XXXX. In gaming terms they sit between a I3 and I5 once overclocked, the FM2+ CPU's also need you have have significantly faster RAM to make full use of the Processor, 2133mhz is recommended. Overall most of them are a good value for the price. Iignore the fanboys that say don't buy they are a waste not everyone cares about Max everything and 60+fps on a budget.

With that being said if your wanting Max everything and 60+ FPS then you need to look at I5's and I7's only for now until AMD releases new Chips.
 
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While it is par for the course to dump on AMD depending on the build you are doing the A10 can make a lot of sense.

For example if you are doing a small low power build using integrated graphics mostly for internet, movie consumption, and light gaming the GPU built into the A10 is faster than the Intel 530 graphics in any i3, i5, or i7. For that type of system the A10 is a great all in one solution and can even have an advantage because its quad core over a similarly priced i3 in some productivity applications.

However for a real gaming build or any sort of higher performance build right now AMD is just not in the game.
 
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http://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#k=4,26&sort=a7&page=1

For the price of the A10 chip, you can get an FX-8300 chip...and yes, while still not as powerful as an i5, it's still on Tom's list of recommended CPUs (mid-range category, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html), and is a significantly higher-tiered chip than the A10 (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html).

The only real shortfalls for the AMD chip compared to Skylake are:
-- lack of DDR4 (that's not coming until Zen comes out)
-- no future socket support (Zen is going to be "Socket AM4")

Note that I said "compared to Skylake", because the same issues affect the Haswell & earlier Intel chips: little to no DDR4 support (normally I'd say none, http://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#s=24&L=4 shows zero LGA 1150 boards with DDR4, but it could just be a lack of anything in stock), "dead" socket (LGA 1150 <> LGA 1151, & Intel isn't producing any new Haswell chips, so future upgrades will become more & more difficult/expensive for LGA 1150 systems).
 
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Lack of DDR4 support would be the least of AMD's chips' problems...
 
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Even overclocked, the 860k/A10 is inferior to an i3 for gaming. In Tom's review of the G3258, they included results for an overclocked 750k. Best case scenario, it performed close (but still behind) an i3 in gaming, and in some cases was significantly worse.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-overclocking-performance,3849-4.html
An 860k will perform a little better than a 750k, but on the other hand an i3-6100 will perform a little better than the i3-4330 they used in those benchmarks.

As mentioned above, lack of DDR4 support is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. The real shortcoming of AMD's current chips compared to *any* modern Intel CPU is drastically worse IPC/single-threaded performance.
 
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You've never played a demanding title on a overlooked G3258.. you get quite a bit of micro stuttering and tearing which makes things pretty annoying, although you theoretically get higher FPS the overall enjoyability is lower.

DDR4 in gaming terms has added next to no real improvements for the high price tag so it's no loss.

A overclocked 860K is still a good value considering you can pick them up for $70's often, they will run close to a I3 in gaming and depending on the title surpass them. It's a great little budget chip for a budget build. $70 CPU, $40 Motherboard and $30 RAM is a little more expensive than just the I3 alone. I think that is what people are missing here.... "Budget entry level gaming"

 
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Or, one could be smarter and skip a meal or two to get an i3 and actully have a platform with a future on their hands.
Ans speaking of stuttering, the low single threaded performance of the AMD chips almost guarantees some of that wonderful stuff in most games. Plus the also highly desirable frame dips under 20FPS and deliciously high frametimes that benchmarks convenitently don't portray.
 
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I never actually recommneded a G3258, I just linked that article because I knew it had benchmarks for an overclocked 750k vs an i3.

If you want to get a significant overclock, you'll probably need to spend more on a decent mobo, as well as an aftermarket cooler, which adds to the cost. Also, could provide a link showing an 860k outperforming a (modern) i3? I don't think I've ever seen a gaming benchmark where that's the case.


Umm, you're the only person to mention "budget" or "entry level" in this thread. I was simply responding to the claim you made regarding an overclocked 860k performing between an i3 and an i5, which is not true, at least according to every benchmark I've seen.
 
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