First build in 10 years! Help to a professional animator

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CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($369.99 @ SuperBiiz) - I want to overclock it. What cooler will I need to do that?

CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus X99-A/USB 3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($222.90 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Storage:
OCZ Storage Solutions Trion 150 Series 240GB 2.5" 7mm SATA III Internal Solid State Drive TRN150-25SAT3-240G and SanDisk X400 SSD SATA 2.5" 7mm 512G SD8SB8U-512G-1122
SanDisk X400 SSD SATA 2.5" 7mm 512G SD8SB8U-512G-1122
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($459.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($65.99 @ SuperBiiz)


Total: $1561.83

I need to build a dekstop that is capable of rendering in UE4 fast, as well as in video (after effects).

My current build is a i7, 16gb with 860m (Laptop).

I want a machine that is twice as fast if possible. The main limitation atm. are the ram of my memory card, which has a very hard time pushing 360 stereoscopic images out for rendering. I use this computer for making videos inside of unreal engine 4, at a very high level. Right now it takes about 8 min to spit out a single frame as image file in 4k stereoscopic on my laptop, so it means it takes 22 hours to render my video for viewing. Besides, I am unable to live-render my own virtual enviromnet currently. I work with effects off, only seeing them once rendered (which is the same as old school 3D in non-live render programs, removing the purpose for even using UE4).

Please please! Hope someone can help. I have not build a computer for ten years!
 
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Question about your storage. You threw in a bunch of SSD's, are those non OS drives just going to be storage and could be replaced with HDD or are you needing the speed of the SSD? If you do need an SSD, is there a reason you went with several 512GB drives instead of one TB drive?

If your planning on going with air cooling, and want to OC, you're going to probably want more than the H5. Like Firefox said, those extra cores could be helped along with a dual fan tower design. The downside to those coolers is they're huge and create an issue with RAM choices since they overlap RAM channels. Here's a quick build up with your compoants but with some tweaks.

CPU Cooler: For air, the much heavier and pricier Noctua D15 only beats out the R1...

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I personally wold go for a 750 watt seasonic unit. 650 at the minimum due to wanting to overclock and running that big GPU. 520 is likely enough but probably barely and seems odd in such a high end build.

Also, if you can afford it (and fit it into the case) the Noctua D15 or one of the Phanteks dual 140mm heatsinks would be a better choice. Usually overkill for a quad core but you are working with 6 cores.
 
Question about your storage. You threw in a bunch of SSD's, are those non OS drives just going to be storage and could be replaced with HDD or are you needing the speed of the SSD? If you do need an SSD, is there a reason you went with several 512GB drives instead of one TB drive?

If your planning on going with air cooling, and want to OC, you're going to probably want more than the H5. Like Firefox said, those extra cores could be helped along with a dual fan tower design. The downside to those coolers is they're huge and create an issue with RAM choices since they overlap RAM channels. Here's a quick build up with your compoants but with some tweaks.

CPU Cooler: For air, the much heavier and pricier Noctua D15 only beats out the R1 by a few degrees. I have the NH-D15, I love that cooler, that said its a pain in the ass. The RAM height for the Noctua is 32mm vs the 35mm of the R1 before you have to start messing with the fan height. Which isn't a huge issue but its one more thing to have to deal with. It's also a bit cheaper than the Noctua. The be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 would be a slightly better choice but can't find any in stock.

SSD: Swapped out the boot drive for the Samsung EVO. The X400 series is good, and better in large part than the OCZ, but it still under performs compared to the Evo. Since that's your big goal with this rig, I'd go with the Evo for boot and the X400 for secondary storage. The X400 could be swapped out for larger HDD drives if you just need them for storage space of non active projects and don't need to speed of an SSD. This would also save bit of cash.

RAM: The larger coolers have a lower ram height clearance. Swapped your RAM choice out for high performing, lower profile design.

PSU: Went with a much better model. You're going to need a min of 500w to run an overclock, and really you want more overhead than that. Pricing on PSU's is weird right now. The 650 P2 platinum is running cheaper than the G2 gold, so no real reason to go with it. It's a $20 jump, but worth it I think since you intend to OC.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($369.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG R1 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus X99-A/USB 3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($223.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($92.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk X400 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($248.95 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($459.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($85.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1799.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-18 22:33 EDT-0400

If you wanted to go water cooling instead, here's a quick build up. Swapped out to your original listed RAM since you don't have to worry about low profile with a water cooler.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($369.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($104.18 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus X99-A/USB 3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($223.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($92.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk X400 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($248.95 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($459.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($85.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1795.06
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-18 22:41 EDT-0400
 
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Jakob Kudsk

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Thanks for your answer! I have a hard time believing how nice this forum is, it is crazy. Love it and I cannot wait to have the final build here in my hands.

I made a post here: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3126910/final-things-build-professional-animation-ue4-tower-cooler-electric-supply.html

The reason for two ssd is that I need fast loading and rendering when making animations in UE4. I will be working at the same time on a laptop with i7 and 16gb ram and go back and forth. So I am doing discount highest end animations. I am a professional artist but I am a little afraid of buying the wrong components to be honest. I used to build my own as a child, but now I have not done so for many years. Your feedback is great, but I am not sure to interpret your solution with the cabinet-cooler-ram issues?
 



Not to worry. I understand the need to balance cost and performance. Since you do need the SSD's, and someone pointed this out in your other post, you will want to stick to better ones than the Adata. They're the cheapest, but you really get what you pay for, and your work is going to need reliable drives. Absolute lowest end I'd go is the OCZ Triton 150, a better step up would be the Sandisk X400, a step up from there would be the Samsung 850 Evo, and finally a Samsung 850 Pro. There are better performing options that your work would actually take advantage of like the Samsung 950, but they're not going to fit in your budget.

As for the cabinet/cooler/ram issue, here's the deal. If you go with an air cooler for overclocking, you will need a cooler that is better than stock. Most of the big air coolers will start to overlap the RAM slots of the motherboard. Depending on the cooler, the height between the motherboard and the cooler will vary. Depending on the cooler, some times this can be fixed by adjusting the height of the fan. Adjusting the fan height raises the overall height of the cooler, but your cabinet allows for coolers up to 180mm tall so you have plenty of room for adjustment. However sometimes the cooler itself will block off after a certain height. This means you will need RAM that can fit under that height. The Noctua NH-D15 is one of the best big air coolers on the market, however you have to either have ram under 32mm in height (hard to find) or adjust the fan up 10mm or so. With your cabinet that's not a problem, as the extra 10mm or so you'd need would only bring the overall height of the cooler to 175mm. But it is also a very heavy fan, so care has to be taken when moving the cabinet around. The Cryorig R1 Ultimate is a similar design, but has a slightly better RAM clearance of 35mm (a bit easier to find) also with an adjustable fan height (would raise the overall height to about 178mm so cutting it close), is cheaper, is lighter and only performs a few degrees worse. Now if you decided you didn't want to overclock, you could get a cooler like the Cryorig H5 universal and use any RAM you like since those models don't overlap the RAM slots.

If you go with a water cooled solution, the price will be higher for the cooler. Usually start around $100 US for a AIO solution like the one I linked, but allows you to use any RAM height modules that you'd like. You can of course go with a higher end one, like the person in your other post pointed out. It would cool better but it also runs over double the price. That's not to say its bad at all, I just don't think it fits in your budget.

Something to keep in mind with all this is you can always upgrade your system over time. Yes it is absolutely easier to start it all out the way you want it, but you add to it. Getting a normal cooler for now and overclocking later would allow you to spend less on a cooler and throw that extra cash at better SSDs so your performance doesn't suffer in the mean time.

Also as for the question in your other thread about Windows. Yes you can load it form a USB. However unless you buy it already on a USB drive, which is available for retail copies, you'll still need access computer with a DVD drive to create a USB boot drive to put the Windows install on. If you're doing Windows 10, I believe you can download a utility and the Windows ISO directly and bypass the need for a DVD drive.
 

Jakob Kudsk

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Thanks for your feedback. I would rather buy good stuff right away than throw and swap later. So I'm going for two Samsung 850 sad, one 500mb the other 250. Perhaps a one terabyte. Usually projects peak at 500mb in size at the time when working. Would would best 1 tb model be, cost to performance ratio? Since I render all the time, many gigs a day,I need ssd I can rely on.

Power: 650 is enough? I find so many posts saying anything from yes to no, get 750 or 850. I have no idea.

About cooling: I prefer to spent extra on an easier to transport and mount/dismount cooler. Don't care if it's water or not but I need reliable. Will the water cooler I found do the job? I intend only to over clock the cpu and not the gpu.
 

Jakob Kudsk

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I noticed this on the motherboard:

Intel® Core™ i7 Processors :
1 x M.2 Socket 3, , with M Key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 storage devices support (Support PCIE SSD only)
Intel® X99 chipset :
1 x SATA Express port, , compatible with 2 x SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports
8 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), *4,
Support Raid 0, 1, 5, 10
Supports Intel® Smart Response Technology, Intel® Rapid Recovery Technology*5

Does it mean I can effectively only utilize one ssd to its full speed?

Could I use 3 ssd somehow? That old major boost speed (program, loading, rendering - 3 way)
 

Jakob Kudsk

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Oh been up late here. Read this:

http://www.pcgamer.com/x99-motherboard-roundup-7-motherboards-reviewed/2/

What would best motherboard be for 2x ssd I wonder, and a single gpu?