Should I improve my old rig, or just start fresh?

Gynwaith

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So I've recently gotten my old desktop working again that I think is like 3ish years old and I'm looking to improve upon it or just build a new one.

Current specs:
CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor (4 CPUs), ~3.4GHz
Graphics Card: AMD Radeon HD 6850
Ram: 8 GB (DDr3 maybe?)
Motherboard: GA-970A-D3

I can't seem to find the box for my power supply and I'm pretty sure stuff like dxdiag doesn't have a clue what your power supply is so I don't have any info on that.

So I'm currently planning on just upgrading the graphics card on my current setup to maybe a GTX 1060 or an R9 390x, so I can run stuff like GTA V a bit better (currently just not enough video memory to go above normal settings). I don't know a ton about computers so I'm not sure how great of an idea having a new card and old other stuff is in terms of compatibility.

So the actually question behind all of this is: If I'm spending $250-$500 or so upgrading my current pc, at what point is it more worth it just to spend a little more money and build a new one from scratch?

Any advice is greatly appreciated :)
 
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Some games are graphics limited, and some are cpu limited.
I think GTAV is in the cpu limited category along with mmo aand strategy type games.

There is no good cpu upgrade for your motherboard if you need faster single thread core speeds.
Intel i3-6100 would be good and need a lga1151 motherboard.

If your games are graphics limited, then the psu capability comes into question.
Every psu will have data plate telling what the +12v amps or watts are. Look for that.
Your 6850 will run on a 450w psu and needs a single 6 pin pcie connector.
Today, a GTX1060 is considerably stronger and needs the same power.
Here is my stock approach on how to tell:
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To help clarify your CPU/GPU...
Some games are graphics limited, and some are cpu limited.
I think GTAV is in the cpu limited category along with mmo aand strategy type games.

There is no good cpu upgrade for your motherboard if you need faster single thread core speeds.
Intel i3-6100 would be good and need a lga1151 motherboard.

If your games are graphics limited, then the psu capability comes into question.
Every psu will have data plate telling what the +12v amps or watts are. Look for that.
Your 6850 will run on a 450w psu and needs a single 6 pin pcie connector.
Today, a GTX1060 is considerably stronger and needs the same power.
Here is my stock approach on how to tell:
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To help clarify your CPU/GPU options, run these two tests:

a) Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

b) Limit your cpu, either by reducing the OC, or, in windows power management, limit the maximum cpu% to something like 70%.
Go to control panel/power options/change plan settings/change advanced power settings/processor power management/maximum processor state/
This will simulate what a lack of cpu power will do.
Conversely what a 30% improvement in core speed might do.

You should also experiment with removing one core. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option. You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of processors to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many cores.

If your FPS drops significantly, it is an indicator that your cpu is the limiting factor, and a cpu upgrade is in order.

It is possible that both tests are positive, indicating that you have a well balanced system, and both cpu and gpu need to be upgraded to get better gaming FPS.
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Gynwaith

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That's unfortunate, but good to know before I start purchasing things. I'm thinking I'll get one of the two cards I listed above and use it in my current pc for a month or so until I have the funds to built a whole rig. That or I guess I could just chill with this rig for a month or two. After all it can run most of the stuff I need on reasonable settings. Looks like I'll be starting fresh in the near future though. Thanks again.
 
Agreed, that rig is essentially dead in the water at this point.
I would say save something like 600 or so to build something like this which is a small form factor PC with on board wifi.
Optimally though you want to get an i5 6500 with this, which has stronger cores and higher clock speeds, meaning it will stay relevant for longer, while the i3 is essentially at its maximum potential with the RX 480. the i5 mentioned is roughly $90 more on avg.
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/BxF29W
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/BxF29W/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($67.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 480 4GB Video Card ($200.00)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case ($42.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $578.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-19 20:21 EDT-0400
 


You're welcome!
 

Gynwaith

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Lots of great info, thank you so much! It looks like I'll be building a new one, so I'll be improving both the cpu and the gpu, but those tips will be very helpful for future upgrades.
 

Gynwaith

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Yeah it seems to be unanimous that I need to upgrade. If I'm gonna restart from scratch I'd rather have a more powerful pc so I'll probably wait like a month and go for a higher budget than $600, but if I do stick to that range then that part list should be very helpful :)
 


Post again when you have your budget and are ready to purchase ;)
 

Yup, good luck on your build! :p