RX 480 Custom AiB release date?

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Does anyone know when AMD is giving the green light for custom cooled cards?

Almost pulled the trigger on a 4GB ref card to flash to 8GB...then I seen the temps they run with ref. blowers...80+ under load at stock clocks! The money I'd save flashing up to 8gb (if I got a card w/ 8gb on board) would end up going toward a Arctic aftermarket cooler...lol

Sooo tired of waiting. Now I don't care if it's a 480 or 1060. Which ever one I see with custom cooling at RSRP and IN STOCK at NewEgg first is a done deal. NewEgg has a $25 off $200 or more purchase that expires Monday night. Keeping fingers crossed.

Don't really need a balls out OCing card with 6+1 and 3 fan cooling...just a standard card, NO BLOWER. I'd rather it be the 480 for future SLI and voltage control but we'll see.
 
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The 1060s are in stock ... the 1st AIB "promising to ship" is Powercolor (July 29)

480s use CF, not SLI ... the the claim that two CF are faster than a 1080 has been proved false ... doesn't even catch the 1070
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480_CrossFire/19.html

The 1060 reference is 111.11% as fast as the 480 (100% / 90%)
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/26.html

Thats not bad, but as with past generations, the AMD cards only get single digit performance increased when AIB cards are OC'd.

The 480 AIB overclocks just 6.0% over reference (79.0 / 74.5)
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_480_STRIX_OC/26.html

The 1060 overclocks 18.7% over reference (101.1 / 85.5)
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/29.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1060_Gaming_X/27.html

111.1 % at stock x 1.187 / 1.060 = 124% ... based upon techpowerups numbers, with both cards OC'd, the AIB 1060 is 24% faster than the AIB 480




 

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Yep...heh even made toolbar shortcuts...one for 1060 another for 480. Also signed up at nowinstock for alerts.

If it weren't for the 1080 and 1070 launching then all the AiB would be able to devote their production capacity to just the 1060 & 480s which they'll be selling a whole lot more of...waiting sux even more after reading all the great reviews these cards been getting.
 
I dunno if that will hold tho obviously Nvidia hopes so. Lets look at market penetration of the 9xx series. The 970 accounted for 45% of all nVidia sales ... and more than twice all of AMD's sales over the last two generations

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 = 5.24%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 = 3.55%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 = 1.05%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti = 0.97%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950 = 0.72%
Total nVidia last Generation = 11.53%

AMD Radeon R9 200 Series = 1.33%
AMD Radeon R7 200 Series = 0.43%
AMD Radeon R9 380 Series = 0.23%
AMD Radeon R9 390 Series = 0.22%
AMD Radeon R7 300 Series = 0.19%
Total AMD last 2 generations = 2.4%
 

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3 MAJOR things that no one has bothered to mention here....

1- AMD Cards are well known for having MUCH better multi-GPU scaling then Nvidia. Sometime as much as a 25% advantage.

2- AMD Freesync support.. Freesync monitors are not only much cheaper than Gsync monitors, there is a much wider variety of options available both from US vendors and even more affordable Korean vendors. Nvidia tied their hands to Gsync and will most likely never allow Freesync/Adaptive Sync support which is a real shame. So if you are planning on a Freesync monitor in your near future, which I strongly suggest you do, scratch any and all Nvidia GPUs off your list.

3- DirectX 12 & Vulcan Performance - Go find a youtube video of someone testing Vulcan with an AMD card and tell me again who wins the performance per dollar race. Nvidia still has no solution for DX 12. AMD is way ahead of the game and all bench marks and DX12 performance shows AMD GPU's destroying Nvidia at every turn.

I happen to have a GTX 980 G1 that I really like. I also have an R9 390x which performs almost identical except the R9 390x will allow me not to have to upgrade when DX12 becomes the standard and I am using it with my new Freesync monitor which is a game changer and I don't plan on going back.

There is more to consider here then just simply percentages of performance with current games and programs.

 


There certainly more to consider but let's look at these factors... but a) lets include some data to see if they hold up and b) include the parts you left out.

1. It's too early to judge CF/ SLI as we don't have comparable cards to judge and scaling performance is oft limited as card performance climbs. So w/ no current gen cards to compare, will use previous generation cards ...

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_970_SLI/20.html
Scaling = 100/60 or 167% ... as you can see in the chart the closest AMD card to the 970 was the 290x

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X_CrossFire/21.html
Scaling = 100/67 or 149%

As to what will happen this time around, we just don't know until we can compare two comparable cards.

And let's not forget that the AIB 970s overclocked 17% ... AIB 290x just 11 .... Current AMD cards ONLY 6% ... current nVidia 18%

That puts SLI performance at 167 x 1.17 (195.3) and CF at 149 x 1.11 (165.4) ... quite a difference.. Not exactly a 25% advantage to AMD but a 30% advantage to nVidia when all the capabilities of the cards are considered.

In order for CF and SLI to make sense 2 moderate tier cards must be faster and cheaper then the next tier card ... we do not have this for the 1st time ever ! So lets look at current cards and we find out why nVidia didn't add SLI to the 1060

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480_CrossFire/19.html
2 x 480 = 146% as fast as a single 480 x 1.06 (for OC w/ AIB cards) = 155%
1 x 1070 = 153% as fast as a single 480 x 1.18 (for OC w/ AIB cards+ = 181%

Lets look at the price

Asus 480 Strix = $259 x 2 = $518
Asus 1070 Strix = $479 x 1 = $479

Why would you spend $39 (8.1%) more and not pick the option that is 17% faster ? But now let's address the hidden costs

Twin 480s TDP (peak Gaming) = 360 watts
One 970 TDP(Peak Gaming) = 190 watts

Add the cost of a 170 watt bigger PSU

EVGA G2 550 = $65
EVGA G2 750 = $109 .... +$44

Add the cost of two extra case fans (75 watts per fan) + $30

Now its $479 versus $592 (+24%) purchase costs

[170 watts / (1000 watts per kw x 90% efficiency)] x 30 hours per week x 52.2 weeks per year x 3 years x $0.10 per kw hr = $89 ... for me at $0.24 rates, that's $214

For me, that's $479 versus $683 ... for slower performance


2. As if Freesync and G-Sync were comparable technologies.... G-Sync is a syncing technology combined with a hardware module that provides motion blur reduction (ULMB) ... Freeseync has no hardware module and therefore no MBR technology... you can get MBR technology on a Freesync monitor, when the monitor vendor decides to add it ... some do, but it comes at increased cost .. It's like comparing a 6600 and a 6600K ... not the same, it's apples and melons comparison

3. No argument that AMD has been faster out of the gate than nVidia w. DX12 ... but the 1st horse outta the gate doesn't always cross the finish line 1st. And as for "destroying Nvidia at every turn" ... sorry, but the numbers don't support that:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1060_Gaming_X/19.html
Rise of the Tomb Raider DX12 1440p = 47.4 fps

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_480_STRIX_OC/19.html
Rise of the Tomb Raider DX12 1440p = 44.6 fps

Although AMDs advantage in some games w/ DX12 , it's unable catch up to nVidia because of the OC advantage.

Lets also look what DX 12 does to CF
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480_CrossFire/16.html

39.7 w/ 1 card => 41.8 w/ two

Things have changed
With the 280 versus 760, I recommended the 280
With the 380 versus 960, I recommended the 380

This time around.... the 480 just doesn't deliver.

I know the price argument is going to be the next counter so let's just put that to bed.... Yes, $199 is a nice price for the 4GB 480 for someone at 1080p.... try and buy one tho. The cheapest one on pcpartpicker is $70 more than that.

You might be able to snipe one of the reference cards on newegg for that price, I don't watch 24/7 to see how often they arrive in stock.... but I can't recommend the reference card. I can only recommend non-reference cards with the 8 pin connector

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3133544/480-blew.html

But the only non-refernce 480 on newegg is $279.... MSI's non-reference 1060s are running $249 - $279 ... and you can actually buy them

If we see a non reference, 8 pin 4 GB card, selling for $199 ... then that will be a recommendation I can make for 1080p users on a tight budget. Until then, AMD has no horse in the race. CF'ing those 4 GB cards to play at 1440p though, you'll want a 6 GB or 8GB model

I have to agree with TPU....

Should there actually be GTX 1060 cards that retail for $249, any hopes of AMD will be dashed because the GTX 1060 will also beat it in performance-per-dollar, leaving AMD with no real wins with which to convince potential buyers.

And there are 1060s available now for $249

 

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I was not attempting to compare technology between freesync and gsync. It is simply a fact that freesync is not only cheaper but it has wider implementation and monitors are in 99% of cases much cheaper. The outcome of what the human eye sees with either technology is quite similar. Physically testing of AIB 480s yes you are correct, we have none atm but i would be very confident in saying +5% is within reason. Someone that is on a tight budget and doesn't upgrade their GPU with each generation, given DX12 and Vulcan performance results on reference RX 480 all the way back to any AMD card that supports those technologies, AMD as of now is clearly in the lead. If you dont care about those things sure, something like a GTX 1070 is a fantastic GPU! But we have seen no evidence that Nvidia has a plan to do anything other than sofware manipulation with the 1000 series. For someone with a $200 to $300 budget there are many factors to consider including the future proof abilities of their gpu and monitor prices.. etc.
 

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Interesting points all round. Right now times are tight...esp for someone disabled living on a joke of a disability check. In a way that sorta simplifies this a bit. As you can see by my sig, I'm in the 'upper middle class' and ALWAYS lookin for BBB components. Everything about my setup is middle-of-the-road but still quality. I don't buy anything at full or msrp...it's usually a waiting game. I see something I want...wait about a year for the next newer/better model to launch and snatch the 'old' one up for cheap(er).
That being said, I'm sh!t outta luck when it comes to this latest round of the best mid range gfx cards in a long time. Ofc newer is always faster but the launch of the 480 and 1060 marks a helluva jump in the 'best bang for the buck' category...and my ol 7770 pales in comparison.

I'll prolly end up with a base model non-ref 4gb 480 for $200...but I'm hoping to grab a faster 1060 with more memory IF the egg gets them in stock before the $25 off $200 deal expires on the first. A slightly faster card with 50% more memory for $225 is deff. my goal...and the BBB.

Perfect for a casual 1080 gamer on a seriously tight budget...such as myself. I'm an SSD junkie mostly but I'm stalled out until my Skylake upgrade and m.2 nvme goodness.
 

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That seems like a good course of action for you. I don't think, given you're upgrading from a 7770, that you would be at all disappointed with either a GtX 1060 or RX 480. The only opinion I would put forward is if you upgrade your GPU that infrequently, considering the best DX12 performance outlooks should be a main consideration. Not that a GTX 1060 at 1080p would be "bad" in DX12 but as programs and games move that direction, eeking out the most FPS would be my focus. AMD seems to have planned pretty well for this with actual hardware support whereas Nvidia will have to patch with
software updates that have yet to be seen.
 
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Very true... But looks like a $249 1060 will be available b4 the $25 off expires...starting to see spurts of availability of $279-$289 cards. 3 1/2 more days to go. You're absolutely right...I'm gonna be tickled as hell coming from a 7770 no matter what...lol My next problem is my disdain for Win 10 and MS trying to ram it down my thoat. Eventually I'll have to give up Win 7 if I want DX12...bastards...lol