Upgrade to 2500k NOW?

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Hi everyone,
is it still clever to upgrade from an AMD FX 6100 to an i5 2500k on a Z-Mainboard for around 135$? Or shall I just wait for Zen?
Thanks in advance
 
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If you are okay with facing that in a about a years time you will have to do another upgrade to play the latest games then upgrading now to the i5 2500K will give you a nice performance boost for gaming right now. Realistically you will have to uprade again in 12 - 14 months to be able to play the then newest games out. At the end of the day the i5 2500K is a nice upgrade over the FX 6100.
trolling or serious ? New or used i5-2500k + mb ?

i5-2500K is stronger than FX 6100
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/427/AMD_FX-Series_FX-6100_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-2500K.html
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-vs-AMD-FX-6100

If new, upgrade and sell the AMD setup used. You will see the single thread performance gain. If used, not sure I'd buy a likely 5 year old MB with an OC'able CPU chip unless I knew what voltage had been applied.

 

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I think Zen will be a flop like most AMD processors have been.
I have a PC with a 2500K processor overclocked to 4.6 and it runs everything just fine and would be a huge upgrade from a FX 6100.
For that low of a price it would be hard to turn down, then you could sell your 6100 and board.
 
Your question really comes down to how much money you have to spend on your upgrade. Switching from an FX 6100 Bulldozer to an i5 2500K Sandy Bridge would be an upgrade and give you better performance, however Zen should be a large step above an i5 2500K. For a little background knowledge lets take a look at Intel's lineup and then take a look at what Zen is projected to be.

First of all Intel i5 Sandy Bridge (the i5 2500K) is first generation iCore so processors like the new i5 6500(K), which is Intel Skylake (fifth generation iCore) will be a much greater upgrade (and also cost much more). Really at this time I would suggest if you going to upgrade you should be looking at no less than an upgrade to Intel Haswell (something like the i5 4690K) as a lot of newer games are already calling for a minimum processor greater than the i5 2500K. Realistically an i5 4690K will keep you gaming though the lifespan of the current console generation (PS4 and Xbox One). I'm using gaming as a standard here as most people looking to upgrade (especially to Intel) are upgrading for gaming purposes.

Now a look at what Zen is projected to be. Zen is supposed to have a 40% IPC gain, however it is important to note that the 40% IPC gain is over Excavator, not Piledriver (which already has a nice IPC gain over the Bulldozer arch your currently running). Taking all that into account comparing Zen to AMDs current flagship FX 8370, Zen should have around a 60% IPC gain over the FX 8370. That will place Zen around the same IPC as Intel's Haswell arch. That is a very big jump in performance for AMD, however processors like Broadwell, Skylake, and the upcomming Kabby Lake will all have better IPC then Zen. Zen however does have an "ace in the hole" as AMD has leaked that Zen will be released first in the enthusiast market as Zen FX and will feature an 8 core 16 thread processor. To compare that against Intel's offerings i5 processors are 4 core 4 thread, standard i7s are 4 core 8 theads and the very top tier i7s are 8 core 16 thread (and usually have $1000 price tags). AMD has not released what Zen will be clocked at, however if Zen is at the same IPC as Haswell in single core performance Zen will be outperformed by Skylake, Bradwell, and Kabby Lake. However the "rub" is in multi-threaded applications (which the vast majority of newer applications and games are) Zen with 8 cores and 16 threads should outperform all but the most expensive i7 processors (i7 8 core 16 thread processors) through Skylake. Zen should be able to outperform i5 and 4 core 8 thread i7 Skylake processors (in multi-threaded applications and games) and would be a very good upgrade over a processor like the FX 6100. Zen will of course require the all new AM4 platform (motherboard) and will require DDR4 RAM and we don't yet know where AMD will be pricing Zen.

With all that information, my personal recommendation would be to hold off now until October (when AMD has stated Zen should be available) and is just a few months away at this point and see what Zen's release does to the industry. If Zen releases at Haswell IPC performance and is running the 8 cores and 16 threads that AMD has leaked it should give even i7 Intel Skylake processors a big challenge in the high end CPU marketplace and could drive down prices across the board. Historically Intel doesn't like to lower the price of their CPU line, however if they have real competition again it could force them to do so. At that point you could decide if an upgrade to Zen or something like the i5 4690K would be a better fit for you. If Zen forces competition and lowering prices you might even be able to pick up something like a i5 4690K at half the cost that it would cost you now, or is Zen is priced to really compete it may be the best upgrade depending on your budget.
 


This. ^
Sums up most of what I wanted to say, but then again AMD CPUs in the past have promised big and failed to deliver, whether that be on thermals, performance or ipc.
Chances are they will still be good value choices however.
Really, its pointless to speculate based purely on marketing material at this point, but most of what is said above is perfectly valid. :)
 


This. ^
Sums up most of what I wanted to say, but then again AMD CPUs in recent years have promised big and failed to deliver, whether that be on thermals, performance or ipc.
Chances are they will still be good value choices however.
Really, its pointless to speculate based purely on marketing material at this point, but most of what is said above is perfectly valid. :)
 


That is exactly why I recommended waiting until it releases and we get actual benchmarks and reviews. "Upgrading" to a first generation iCore 2500K in late 2016 I simply don't advise. At this point in time anyone looking to upgrade should be looking at Haswell (preferably the very good i5 4690K) at minimum. While first and second generation iCore processors are still capable they are rapidly showing their age.

AMD also isn't as bad as a lot of people want to make them out to be either. My FX 8370 in multi-threaded games and applications can more than compete against processors that are highly regarded like the the i5 4690K. I score on average 820cb in Cinebench R15, no i5 4690K can match that and in video editing and rendering (my main needs) my FX 8370 outperforms the i5 4690K hands down. Saying AMD processors aren't good is misinformation at best as it all depends on your personal needs. For video editing and rendering only i7s will outperform my rig and would have been much more expensive. I also max out all current games (Witcher 3, Fallout 4, ect) at 1080p 60FPS without issues so have no complaints in gaming either. Zen will be a very good improvement over my current FX 8370 which is already a very good processor.

The best recommendation is to wait for Zen's release, see how it performs real world against Intel and then make the best logical upgrade at that point. That way if Zen lives up to the information we currently have we will have to see what it does to the CPU marketplace, and if it doesn't live up to expectations your out nothing and an upgrade to an i5 4690K is still a very good and smart upgrade in late 2016.
 


And you may want to check your math, or lack there of. A 40% IPC gain over Excavator (roughly 60% IPC gain over Piledriver) would place Zen at Haswell IPC not Sandy Bridge IPC. Single core performance of Zen should be equal to Haswell (ie 4690K) not Sandy Bridge (i5 2500K). Saying that the i5 2500K has more than 60% IPC over Piledriver is horrible misinformation.
 

tx1733

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Hmm, I'm still not sure what to do. On the one hand 135$ for that combo sounds like a really attractive offer to me, but on the other hand I don't want to regret spending all that money now if I can get a way more advanced architecture for around the same price. So do you think, I will be able to get a significantly faster combo for less than 150$ shortly after Zen is being released (even though I doubt that will really already happen before the end of 2016)? Because my FX has really reached it limits (especially in Games like Cities Skylines where clicking the speed buttons doesn't speed up the game anymore after having like 40k people in my city)
 

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All speculation I can't think of a single time AMD has delivered and so no reason to believe them this time.
For the price he can get the board and 2500K for he would be foolish not to get it 135 bucks compared to a full rebuild.
 

tx1733

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As far as I can remember, the Athlon 64 was a great piece of technology, but I agree, that I probably have to spent way more on a new DDR4-based system.
 


Recommending someone upgrade to a first generation i5 2500K in late 2016 I just can't do. Current games are already recommending minimum specs above the i5 2500K. While the 2500K right now will still run most games most people who have them are overclocking them to the max to get the performance they need and we are rapidly reaching the point where people have already or are looking to upgrade from first generation iCore i5 2500Ks. If the OP wants to upgrade right now I would recommend at the minimum upgrading to Intel Haswell i5. I'm sure the last thing the OP wants is to upgrade now and in less than a year be facing needing to upgrade again.

As stated above as well FX Piledriver wasn't a bad performing CPU. In video editing and rendering 8 core Piledrivers can outperform all Intel processors except the more expensive i7s. With my "lowly" FX 8370 I also run all the latest games on all Ultra settings 1080p @ 60FPS (which saying my monitor is 60Hz maxes it out). Saying AMD never delivers is subjective as it delivers very well in heavily multi-threaded applications, video rendering and editing, ect, and is also very capable at gaming. Intel only performs vastly better in applications which rely heavily on single core performance.

We have to go on the information that we have, and the latest information from AMD is that Zen is performing "better than anticipated" and has 40% IPC gains over Excavator and will release first as Zen FX with 8 cores and 16 threads. 40% IPC over Excavator would place Zen at the performance levels of Haswell. AMD has had a long time to work on their new Zen and have shown us time and again that they are capable of delivering surprises to the computer industry. It wasn't long ago that AMD released the R9 290X which at half the cost of the then top tier $1000 Titan outperformed the Titan creating a huge price drop of Nvidia's entire product line within the week the R9 290X released. No one thought AMD could catch the performance level of the Titan let alone surpass it at half the price. Zen could have the same effect on the CPU market when it releases, no one knows for sure. The latest information from AMD is Zen FX is expected for an October launch.
 

tx1733

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So just to make sure we're on the same page: The 135$ for this combo is also about the highest limit of money I am willing to spend, now and in three/four months. And I'm not sure, if Intel will drop their prices this aggressively to 65$ for a newer Core i5-K and the same for a Z-Mainboard...
 


No one can really predict what Intel will do if Zen releases and is highly competitive and undercutting them in price. Intel has resisted dropping their prices in the past, but from a purely business, economics viewpoint they should have to lower their prices across the board if they all of a sudden have real competition that is undercutting them in price. That is what Nvidia had to do. I built a system for a customer that had a $1000 Titan that I delivered to him 2 weeks before AMD released the R9 290X and shocked the entire industry. The R9 290X traded blows equal with and at times outperformed the Nvidia Titan and was only $500. That customer took out his frustrations on me, but no one saw that coming, and he had extreme buyers remorse.

Really the best advice I can give you is to see what Zen brings to the table and see what it does to prices across the board. If you were looking at a Haswell processor I would tell you to jump on it and don't look back, but a first generation Sandy Bridge upgrade now I just can't recommend because it is possible that in under a year's time your going to be reaching the limits of that processor as well and will be needing another upgrade to play the latest games.
 
If you are okay with facing that in a about a years time you will have to do another upgrade to play the latest games then upgrading now to the i5 2500K will give you a nice performance boost for gaming right now. Realistically you will have to uprade again in 12 - 14 months to be able to play the then newest games out. At the end of the day the i5 2500K is a nice upgrade over the FX 6100.
 
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Very good choice that processor should last you 2 / 3 more year at the least. Games are not going to suddenly make that processor a bad choice their no game out the my 2500K PC can't run and I can not see that changing anytime soon.
That processor is still as good as ANY AMD processor made for gaming.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html
Take a game like Overwatch A 2500K just at stock speed beats ANY AMD processor out.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1180-overwatch-benchmarks/page5.html
The list goes on and on.
http://www.techspot.com/reviews/graphics-cards/gaming-benchmarks/
 


2-3 years is an extreme stretch. Telling people that first generation iCore is going to be just fine gaming anything for the next 3 years is going to lead to a lot of buyers remorse. Like you right now I can run any game going on all Ultra settings 1080p 60+FPS, but give games another year, year and a half at most and that won't be the case. Realistically another year to year and a half and it will be time to upgrade. Hopefully by that time Zen will be a player in the high end CPU market and will drive price and competition and by the time we all have to upgrade it will be to a much better platform at a better price than we currently have.
 

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I see you now have a crystal ball and can see into it. I guess you just can't get some people to look past their AMD love affair.
A stock I5 2500K beats the top of the line 9590 by 17% in this game that is a 3.3 processor up against a 4.7 processor AMD is just a really bad processor for gaming. they are only good for a very few work related programs, or for a very low budget.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1089-fallout-4-benchmarks/page5.html
 
Nehalem is first gen not sandy but I don't see how marketing i series in gens makes any difference here. Intel's biggest ipc jump was 19% from first get to second even though that skips westmere. But sandy to skylake is only 23% in 4 gens. I doubt amd is going to get the 40% in 1 gen like they are saying. If it does, that 8c/16t cpu is probably going cost in the enthusiast range since it's better than even a 6850k. Then 6c version will be priced a bit lower than a 4c i7 and beat it, at least in, multithreading.
 


Any processor in the class of the i5-2500K will be > $200 (zen or otherwise). If you are strapped for money, and trust the seller, grab the i5 and MB, then sell your current cpu +MB. The net upgrade cost could be less than $100 and should be strong enough to last you another few years at least, even w/o an overclock.