quad core dd3 or dual core ddr4

je1983 · Jul 24, 2016

I've narrowed down my choices to two pc's either a I-3 6100 2 core 3.7ghz (B150 motherboad) or an I-5 4460 4 core 3.2ghz (B85 motherboard).

I'm looking at a lot of different aspects in choosing my motherbord and cpu, but I can't decide with these particular figures which would be more benificial to me. DDR3 seems good enough for normal use and some photoshop but I like B150 motherboard with it;s 6 sata 6 ports and DDR4, it's also a bit newer.

Then there is the choice of getting the dual core or quad core and how the type of memory affects the performance of each.

I'l be using the pc for regular internet use, streaming, downloading watching movies, SD and HD as well as using photoshop and I am also planning on doing some very light and basic video editing 720 and 1080 vids from my camera.

dexxterlab97 · Jul 24, 2016

i5 4460 no question.

k1114 · Jul 24, 2016

How much more is i5 6500? And what else is bringing up the build cost?

Epicness937 · Jul 24, 2016

max build budget?
and like stated how much more is the 6500?

Tom Tancredi · Jul 25, 2016

Uhmm a i3 (proper way to write it) is NOT QUAD core, the i5 would be. So I think you got that backwards
Secondly, tomorrow, next year, or any time after today, you want to upgrade you have to replace the ENTIRE computer as DDR4 is not backwards compatible, and a new Mobo also means new CPU, new PSU to power all that and the custom connections VS DD3. So considering your using the computer from TODAY FORWARD, not YESTERDAY BACKWARDS, it makes more sense to invest what will not needing to be totally replaced later.
Lastly, i5 always is better than i3, AND a 4th gen outperforms 3rd Gen, then add in the big performance gains in DDR4 and the new methods the mobo does the I/O between each part, all adds to MACKTRUCK vs 3wheel trickle in permformance.

je1983 · Jul 25, 2016

The 6500 is not an option for me, not only because it's about 80usd or more costlier, I just don't think I need it. My two options are actually on the top end of my original list of choices which included an I-3 4160. Currently these two configs cost around 386usd with the 8gb ram and 1tb hdd and case and other bits. It's a good price, lower than I expected and leaves me room for other peripherals.

I'm really just trying to decide between the two choices I've mentioned in my original post after spending days choosing from different similarly priced combinations.

helpstar · Jul 25, 2016

for photoshop and other applications clearly 4460

upgrade path is limited with this one, but because you are not playing just games, the i5 is much better for applications which are using all 4 cores.

Epicness937 · Jul 25, 2016

je1983 :

a i5 4460 is the best and a few other things
can you afford the 4590 or 6400?

je1983 · Jul 25, 2016

Thanks guys.

The 4590 doesn't seem to be too popular here, i don't think I've seen it around too much. Sometimes if the items are too similar in specs and pricing, shops will opt to stock one rather than both to save space, although they usually keep the higher spec one which the 4590 seems to be. Is there a big difference between the two, it's not on any online price lists the local stores keep but I'll keep an eye out for it.

The 6400 was one of the choices on my original list but combined with the B150 montherboard, it does add up a bit. Budget wise, it's not out of reach but higher than what I believe is the better overall value in the 6100 or 4160. Also I'm not crazy about that 2.7Ghz clock speed.

One other factor is the onboard graphics. There are plenty of comparison websites that I don't really understand. I was told that the onboard graphics for these two are good enough for my needs. The Intel HD Graphics 530 on the 6100 being better than the 4600 on the 4460motherboard.
Is there a big difference between the two? Benchmark tests don't mean much to me, I need to know if I will require some kind of video card later on.

Tom Tancredi · Jul 25, 2016

For casual surfing, writing emails, etc. a iGPU is what it was made for.
More than that (video editing and so on) you needed dedicated hardware, aka a GPU. Which also means you need to evaluate the PSU to support it properly and that it works in the space of the case you have, the length and position doesn't interfere with the CPU and its cooler or the HDDs, and so on. So normally people just get a basic "Off the Shelf" / OEM (HP, Dell, etc.) with the CPU range they have in mind, upgrade the PSU and toss in the GPU and done.

Yes the newer gen iGPU cranks out much more than the 2 generations back (4xxx) GPU, and surprisingly for 'light gaming' (Minecraft, AngryBirds, WoT) and light video editing (NOT 1080P!) it does a handy job, as anything previously would crash and burn when trying to open the app.

je1983 · Jul 26, 2016

I currently have a 500w antec supplying power to 4hdd's and a sapphire 5450, I might use that or get a new one. The new build would come with a 530 or 550w not sure if they are including an 80plus psu but i can pay a bit more for one.

So I need to consider how much photoshpping and video editing I will be doing. If I need to spend 80-100 on a gpu, I might as well go for the b85 to cut costs a bit.

Epicness937 · Jul 26, 2016

je1983 :

what do you mean the new build will come with?
is this a prebuilt?

je1983 · Jul 26, 2016

They build it at the shop. You can pick and choose what you want from these lists that they have printed out. Usually with stuff like ram and psu's they use local or unknown brands like 2themax, maxxon and others in order to keep the advertised price as low as possible.

Epicness937 · Jul 26, 2016

je1983 :

uh that there is something i would worry about
you need a good psu in your rig ram most of the time is fine but a psu needs to be at least decen

je1983 · Jul 27, 2016

I'll check the voltage on my Antec to see if it's not the source of the issues I'm having with my pc and use it with the new one, or I could just pay a little extra for a silverstone 80plus at the store.

Tom Tancredi :

How much better exactly? I'm just starting to realize I might be better of with the i5-4460 even if it's older and doesn't go with the motherboard which supports 1151 and DDR4 which I like. There's a higher likelihood i would require a standalone gpu with this CPU for the occasional photoshop and light video editing. If that's the case, what's the bare minimum you would recommend? I don't suppose my Sapphire 5450 (512MB) card that i'm using with my current rig would be sufficient?

helpstar · Jul 27, 2016

don´t get a silverstone, these are crappy and loud

je1983 · Jul 27, 2016

Solved, how is this solved?

k1114 · Jul 27, 2016

You clicked the "pick as the solution" button, probably by mistake but I unselected it. The 5450 is worse than the igpu of both cpus so no point in using it unless you want worse performance and more power usage and heat.

I think the deciding factor would be future upgrade plans. The older haswell is a dead end while the i3 will have kaby lake out later this year and cannonlake next year. The igpus do fine for video editing if you don't mind the viewports updating a bit slower. It'll be faster than what you have now so it should be enough for the time being.

je1983 · Jul 27, 2016

k1114 :

Thanks for that. I didn't know it could be unclicked.

I'm thinking i should go with the 6100 and b150 because of upgradability, but only if there is a failure or fault sometime in the future, not really for any performance upgrades I may want.
I only buy a pc once in 7-10 years so usually I get the most recent one because that makes it easier to upgrade. With my last pc it had plenty of room for me to add a gpu, some ram and a wifi card and that's about it really. It does seem like the older i-5 4460 would be a better choice in terms of performance, so I'm still not fully decided.

Also, I'm a little concerned about how close the pcie slots and the pci16 (whatever it's called) are on both the b85 and B150. I will need a wifi card and maybe a gpu later on if I feel I need one, with each card (tplink ac1900 and nvidia gt730) having it's own heatsink I don't know if I'll run into problems fitting them.

k1114 · Jul 28, 2016

But if you never upgrade and component failures are not common if you buy quality stuff, then I don't see why you wouldn't want the better i5. You should always be able to find older parts for a good while. More ram, gpu, or wifi card is going to fit in either.

The expansion slots have standardized dimensions to fit.

chenuki · Jul 28, 2016

I built a "Nuclear submarine" a few months back: http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/1177978 Single core performance with the i3-6100 overclocked is faster than i7 6700K. Even if you're not interested in overclocking, the stock upgrade path from i3 to i7 presents greater value in the future.

I noticed you mentioned preference for upgrades over new builds. The i5's even with Turbo Boost (with exception of 6600K) seem rather weak for value: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-6400-vs-Intel-Core-i3-6100 http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4460-vs-Intel-Core-i3-6100 I've noticed the base i3 outperform the base i5 in numerous benchmarks simply because of the faster clock. To me, the upgrade chain specific on value seems to go like this: i3 -> i7, Pentium G -> i5. My opinion is the i3 has hit the sweet spot in value and upgrade path.

Also, if you depend on iGPU performance at all, current gen trumps previous gen.

my 2 cents

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