SSD vs HDD in terms of lifespan

ddaarreell123 · Jul 25, 2016

Hello guys! I know that SSD has a limit on their cells versus on HDD that has wearing platter. I just wanna know on SSD owners that should i buy a SSD over HDD? I just play games and using Adobe photoshop on my free time the save file will be save at the external HDD i just save games and application on SSD. I want a components that will last an almost a decade or less i research SSD they say that it will last a decade if i don't write a 40gb a day on it. By the way i will buy Samsung 850 evo as SSD i don't care about the speed i just care about the lifespan of what i buy

Ralston18 · Jul 25, 2016

I would go with the SSD. Quieter, less energy consumption, and faster. No moving parts.

Overall, there is no quarantee with any product these days - anything can and will fail.

Quality is going down for many products.

Manufacturers tout all sorts of "advantages" and "benefits" that are all too often the result of ideal testing and/or some marketing twists.

Go with SSD. Purchase a a known brand from a known vendor.

Treat the drive kindly and pay attention to the installation and operational requirements.

Keep your backups current and do as you will.

junkeymonkey · Jul 25, 2016

Just like hard drives, SSDs can wear out, though for different reasons. With hard drives, it’s often just the mechanical reality of a spinning motor that wears down over time. Although there are no moving parts inside an SSD, each memory bank has a finite life expectancy — a limit on the number of times it can be written to and read from before it stops working.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hdd-versus-ssd-whats-the-diff/

with the ssd look at ware leveling and how it used to extend the life of the memory ?

like said above luck of the draw overall in the end I'd say 50/50 hard drive or ssd ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_leveling

then with a ssd you may see if large data flows like from photo editing may be not so good you got to look over your use of the drives

little things like said here ?/

'' If you only plan on running one major application at a time this issue won’t apply to you but multi-taskers or folks editing large volumes of content may be negatively affected. ''

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/69301-kingston-hyperx-savage-240gb-ssd-review-12.html

lots to look at and conceder -

USAFRet · Jul 25, 2016

ddaarreell123 :

Not 40GB per day...hundreds of GB per day.
http://techreport.com/review/26058/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-data-retention-after-600tb

All else being equal, your SSD will be obsolete due to size before it 'wears out' due to too many write cycles.
A 64GB drive someone may have bought 4 years ago is already 'too small' for the OS drive. Nowhere near worn out...just simply 'too small'.

ddaarreell123 · Jul 25, 2016

I edit it guys. I just play games on the SSD and edit some photos the save file will be save at external HDD. I plan to buy next week i hope you help me for those who owned SSD. I don't care about the speed guys i want to know is the lifespan that is it really can last a decade if i just write/read 3 to 5gb a day with my games?. And as i mention i will put all the save file or movies at external HDD. Thanks

USAFRet · Jul 25, 2016

ddaarreell123 :

Barring other fails, yes it will last a long time.

(other fail = just like any other piece of electronics)

junkeymonkey · Jul 25, 2016

man , like any thing these days it will work and last as you expect or it don't you may get several years out of it then you may not get a year ? that's with anything

luck of the draw to me you got to look over the ssd's carefully

I think I may try a drive with this controller next time maybe I something like this PYN CS2211 SSD series ??

http://www.phison.com/English/newProductView.asp?ID=246&SortID=63

thing is you buy it you use it and hope for the best overall out come

ddaarreell123 · Jul 25, 2016

junkeymonkey :

I expect more on Samsung 850 evo because of its warranty. And my budget is only at below 70$, is it a good alternative with PYN CS2211 SSD series? and my purpose of buying an ssd is the lifespan note the speed by the way

junkeymonkey · Jul 26, 2016

lots like the samsungs but like the rest they have tere short commings as well depends on how fan boy the review is on them

like I said lots to look at and conceder on each drive and how you plan to use one . me I still use all platter drives today but I may get a ssd just to see how it works out the next time I plant go get a new drive [soon]

more or less take all info in on any drive your interested in and weigh it all out shrug shoulders and add to cart ... thing I;m interested in is the power loss data protection if any so a best drive with the s-10 controller looks close [lots of outages , lighting and surges around here where I live ]

like that pyn [not to say its best or anything ] its got a 4 year warrentee I mean 4 years is not bad if I get that issue free I'm happy

thing is so many to look at and so many pro's and con's its not so cut and dry ? like a good old platter drive it is what it is like a WD black and its 5 year warrantee and a 1 tb at 69 bucks [ cut and dry easy as pie ]

anyway good luck on what you decide to go with

USAFRet · Jul 26, 2016

Once you use an SSD you'll never go back.

junkeymonkey · Jul 26, 2016

that's yet to be determined .. to this day I never thought of even using one only reason I look now is to get the user experience.. from it out side of that I have found -0- need for a ssd .. too many irons in that fire and they change like the wind [???? ]...so?

something else to look in to

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/205382-ssds-can-lose-data-in-as-little-as-7-days-without-power

then how well the sdd controller can keep the data ''refreshed''

Phison on the other hand has taken a much more active approach. Since they have so many free cycles - via the three dedicated cores - for housecleaning and maintenance the PS 3110 will actively and routinely read NAND cells and test the results against its ECC - even when the data is not request by the host system. This way 'fading' data can be caught early, refreshed during low IO periods and thus PS3110 controller based drives will almost never suffer the same fate as Samsung 840 Evo drives.

even with that you may not just pull the drive chunk it on the shelve and in a year or 2 grab it and hook it put to get something off it you need as you can easy do with a platter drive with them 10 years down the road I can just hook a old drive up and get stuff of it [no risk of loosing data or anything there ?? ]

quite a few cons over a platter drive for sure

ddaarreell123 · Jul 26, 2016

Well logical explanation of SSD make me convince that i should buy. No moving platters, low power consumption, fast. I don't mind the limited read/write because 75TB for 5 years on SSD is too much for me i just play games and learning adobe photoshop. The 5 year warranty of Samsung 850 evo will satisfy me i plan to buy this week. Speaking of WD Black caviar i will buy it also as my Secondary drive for my files well the 5 years warranty will guarantee it's practicality on money and lifespan.

junkeymonkey · Jul 26, 2016

I edited my last post on some points

look at the drives large file you may see reviews can show they can suffer there and seens its more drive gb size has some to do with it all as in the more flash banks the drive has to work with the better it can handle tasks ? little thing as that add up along the way read write can be cut more then 1/2

thing is look well past the hype and more to the facts is all I'm saying

good luck

USAFRet · Jul 26, 2016

ddaarreell123 :

(anecdotal, from my system)
For real world typical power user usage:
My original SSD, Kingston 120GB. Bought and installed in summer 2012. OS drive until last year.
OS and all applications that would fit comfortably.
Currently just a secondary drive.

No special adjustments made to try to reduce write level. Page file reduced in size and hibernation off, simply to conserve drive space.

Total of ~12.5TB total writes. In 4 years of mostly 24/7 on time. Currently 33,408 power on hours.
75TBW extrapolates out to several decades...:lol:

ddaarreell123 · Jul 26, 2016

USAFRet :

Wait let me ask a question from you please. You half the size of page file or not ? i didn't quite get your statement hehe.. I have a little doubt on SSD when i heard that Page file affects the TBW of the drive.. I actually will buy a SSD as a primary and buy next year a HDD for secondary, My concern is my TBW if i use my Page file on SSD as my primary it will consumed a lot of TBW. By the way that's impressive compare it to the latest SSD i'm sure the technology now on SSD is better than in 2012. 3d v nand convinced me to buy a samsung 850 evo, lifespan is my priority on buying. With your statement it makes me excited to buy a SSD

USAFRet · Jul 26, 2016

I have 16GB RAM. I just reduced the pagefile down to 1GB min/max, and left it on the SSD.
Just to save space on that 120GB.

Given sufficient RAM, the pagefile is rarely accessed. It will not impact the TBW in any real way.

ddaarreell123 · Jul 26, 2016

USAFRet :

Sad to know that i have a 4gb ram and no plan to upgrade it

.. Do you think it is advisable to disable it ? or reduced its size given the low memory?

USAFRet · Jul 26, 2016

ddaarreell123 :

Leave it as default. It will NOT harm anything.
What size drive are you considering?

junkeymonkey · Jul 26, 2016

just don't know ? so far as like a fast boot drive but then things start to look iffy like that data fade thing that's a big risk there right off the bat better do twice as many backups ??? leave on vacation for a week or 2 and wile your gone you power at the house is out for 2 days due to a storm and come home try to boot up and find 1/2 your drve data is gone ?? not good or the fact you cant store the drive with good data on the shelve for latter use ? with all that your right back on a tried and true platter drive ?

[opinion]

TBW with todays drive firmware and ware leveling should not be a issue overall [keep from writing to one bank till its used up and dies ]

http://www.storagereview.com/demystifying_ssd_endurance

https://itblog.sandisk.com/ssd-endurance-speeds-feeds-needs/

like here goes back to ssd size the larger the drive the more you get to burn up

ddaarreell123 · Jul 26, 2016

USAFRet :

120gb samsung 850 evo bro. Are you sure i am using RAM intesive games and apps, can i have i link on what program you are using to determine the TBW and power on hours

USAFRet · Jul 26, 2016

ddaarreell123 :

CrystalDiskInfo
This is that 4 year old drive:

junkeymonkey · Jul 26, 2016

bottom line is you can only use a flash memory so many times all they can do is even it out among all ic 's as evenly as possible to prevent premature ware of the individual banks

from the link above
''In reality, each flash chip can vary greatly in its native endurance capabilities. You cannot compile a bunch of flash chips, put them on a printed circuit board and begin the countdown to the theoretical end of life.

now its down to how well the firmware and controller optimizes this

ddaarreell123 · Jul 26, 2016

junkeymonkey :

I hope you don't mind brother. Today's technology of SSD has a security feature that secured the files even when the power is off like a HDD in terms of TBW i read somewhere they stressed test the samsung evo it can go on 700+ TB in terms of TBW. 75TB is just a standard value for its warranty.

USAFRet · Jul 26, 2016

ddaarreell123 :

junkeymonkey :

I hope you don't mind brother. Today's technology of SSD has a security feature that secured the files even when the power is off like a HDD in terms of TBW i read somewhere they stressed test the samsung evo it can go on 700+ TB in terms of TBW. 75TB is just a standard value for its warranty.

Yes, probably read that here:
http://techreport.com/review/26058/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-data-retention-after-600tb

Do not stress over the TBW.
Buy it
Use it
Love it

junkeymonkey · Jul 26, 2016

that's about it .. read up check the facts not the hype then you buy , you try , and hope it don't make you cry

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