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Whenever I look up coolers on amazon, ebay and just about anywhere I keep seeing these. The evercool models i keep seeing (the 'buffalo' model)closely resemble larger deepcool gammax models, and while noctua and scythe resemble thermaltake and smaller fan deepcool air cooled models.
Dynatron have a very unique look with enclosed fans for a very low profile.
anyone have any experience with these brands? are they worth the savings vs. mainstream brands?
(looked at for intel lga 1150/51/55/2011 sockets)
 
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where do you actually live mate??
the gammaxx is a decent cooler but it should be $30 or so not $40-50.
Yes it'll handle your cpu fine

the only issue I have with it is that its a fairly hefty cooler but still uses the stock mounting system - not so bad on a 2011 socket as at least the screw fits are more substantial than the push pin fittings.

at the same price as an h5 Id take the h5 simply because it has better build quality & a better quality fan.
for under $30 though ,yes the gammaxx 400 is a good choice.

nice build btw,cant fault the second hand components at the prices you paid on your list.
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Noctua has the best air cooler on the market ... In recent years, the major players have been Noctua, Cryorig, Phantekls and Scythe. When it comes to coolers, for the most part performance and quality scale with cost. For example while you will see the Hyper 212 recommended on THG a 100 times a day, it is a "great budget cooler" ($25), but that is very different from saying it is a "great cooler".

$25 - Hyper 212
$36 - Cryorig H7
$50 - Various Scythe models
$60 - Phanteks PH-TC14-PE
$90 - Noctua NH-D15 / Cryorig Ultimate

For my money, I like the Phanteks which, while a hair behind on temps, has the best fans and by far the best aesthetics.
 
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If ya time it right, ya can grab the Phanteks at $50 every now and then. The Scythe prolly has the lowest temps ... comes in just under the Cryorig R1

6966_28_cryorig-h5-universal-cpu-cooler-review.png


The H5 comes in about 1C hotter
 
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I wouldn't say so.... if we say 1C is negligible, then how can one possibly justify the Cryorig R1 Utimate's $90 price at $40 more

How do we accept that $0 for 1C better performance is negligible but $40 for 0.8C is not ?

From a performance per dollar ...if the Cryorg H5 costs $50 and the Cryorig R1 Ultimate costs $90, The Mugen Max should cost $72....but it's $49.95 on newegg.

In addition, in more recent testing, the new Mugen Max performed better than the $90 Cryorig R1 Ultimate
http://benchmarkreviews.com/28173/scythe-mugen-max-cpu-cooler-benchmark-review/5/

And with better fans, it beats all other coolers in the tests
http://benchmarkreviews.com/28173/scythe-mugen-max-cpu-cooler-benchmark-review/6/

the h5 is easy to fit, has zero ram interference & has a non obtrusive look.
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That would be significant if none of those applied to the Max.....

1. It's not easy to fit ? One long screwdriver required

2. It also has no RAM interference... in fact the H5 comes closer to the RAM than the Max. The H5 has 35mm clearance to MoBo Heat Sinks / RAM (if ya add an extra fan on RAM side) ... the max has 42mm.

Max with fan.. and RAM clearance
Scythe-Mugen-Max-Ram-Clearance.jpg


H5 with fan over RAM
h5-ultimate_outline.png


3. I'll need an explanation as to what specifically, makes the H5 less "obtrusive" then the Max

Mugen Max Dimensions 145 x 116 x 161
Cryorig H7 Dimensions 143 x 111 x 168

The H5 is also known for its limited support of various CPU sockets but it is slightly quieter than the Max

So no... saying that the H5 is a "Hands down" winner just is not supported by the facts. They are both very good coolers, both easy to install, neither has RAM issues ... the Max supports more sockets (14 to 11), the Max gives you more clearance (42 vs 35) and more cooling for your money ... the H5 is slightly (2 dbA) quieter tho which may be important of you can hear the difference.
 
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Mugens Max is a great cooler, friend of mine has it running in his i5-6600
I personally have a Mugen 4 cooling a 125W Amd phenom II x4 955 and under 100% load In a case with bad airflow and a hot room I reach up to 67°C within a multi hour gaming session (51°C idle, my room is very hot in summer).
So concerning cooling the scythe coolers are still very good although not as hyped as when the Mugen 2 came out.

Before that I had a Scythe Katana 2 (you know this weird one where the cooler was in a 75° angle to the board) that cost me 22€ back in the day and it did the job just fine (barely reaching 70°C)

The main difference to Noctua & Phanteks:
Scythe has the better cooler design
But uses a cheaper fan.
Scythe fans just don't use a fluid or a magnetic bearing which makes them slightly louder (1-2dba with a distinctive sound that's actually pretty chilly and not noticeable up to 85% RPM, which is mostly when the GPU will be louder than the CPU anyway and again you will only really hear it when your pc is on your desk and you don't wear a headset, before that it's just the airflow) and not as long lasting - the katana2 fan, 92mm, Broke with bearing defect after 4 years. replacing it is easy enough though.

If you're not trying to break any records in OC any 45€> cooler is more than sufficient at least when you buy trusted brands. I got the Mugen 4 because it was the cheapest in that range and in stock at my local store. That was what's important to me.
Other people value aesthetics - that's fine then buy what you think looks best in your case.
The Phanteks fan I think is washable. Although my case is really dusty I didn't have the need so far to wash my CPU fan but if that's important to you, go with a cooler that provides that feature.
You wanna support German businesses - buy Phanteks. Or you believe in the sovereignty of Taiwan & think Austria is a very underrated country, also you wanna annoy China, buy Noctua
...I think you get what I'm trying to say
 
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the latter is not an option for me. I already have the cpu, mobo and gpu. I got them from the classifieds here and craigslist. Also I was pointed to that PSU by the PSU tier list experts based on my budget. Im doing my best to keep this build under $1000 usd and saving wherever possible.
this is also my first build and i dont need to do any serious OCing. Not interested in VR either. I just need ot for 1080/2k gaming and 4k video rendering capabilities.

other than that i agree, it should be cooled properly, but i want to do so within my budget. I dont understand why one of the most popular coolers as mentioned on PC gamer as well as here hasnt been mentioned by anyone else.
 
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where do you actually live mate??
the gammaxx is a decent cooler but it should be $30 or so not $40-50.
Yes it'll handle your cpu fine

the only issue I have with it is that its a fairly hefty cooler but still uses the stock mounting system - not so bad on a 2011 socket as at least the screw fits are more substantial than the push pin fittings.

at the same price as an h5 Id take the h5 simply because it has better build quality & a better quality fan.
for under $30 though ,yes the gammaxx 400 is a good choice.

nice build btw,cant fault the second hand components at the prices you paid on your list.
 
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@madmatt thank you.
The only option i saw for the H5 universal, atleast through outlet pc via pcpartpicker was right at $50 after shipping. I live in the states. Ive seen varying prices for the gammax from $25 to 50 depending on fan size.

UPDATE:
I did alittle more research and remembered my original planned cooler, and I think im going to use it: Cooler Master's Hyper 212 EVO
why?
I did some comparisons of the Mugen, H5 uni, the Gammax 400, the 212EVO and something by Rajintek that was similar
Among them, the EVO has the same price as the 400, with vastly more reviews and a higher rating (1000+ 5 egg ratings versus maybe 50 4+ egg ratings, among the different versions of the 400).
the scythe and H5 both still run twice as much while weighing more.

I also found a few links where they were mentioned here
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2018721/deep-cool-gammaxx-400-cooler-master-212-evo.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2823499/deepcool-gammaxx-400-cpu-cooler-good.html

Conclusion: for a sturdier, lighter unit that should get the job done, Im going with the EVO. The Gammax might be fine for a smaller cpu, but since this is my first build, and im using a 6-core i7 with a an MSI X79A mil. class mobo, would rather be safe than sorry for the same price.
 
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Despite above claims to the contrary, the Mugen Max is readily available in the states for $49.95

Also, be aware that pcpartpicker has been terrible of late ... they only check about 10 sites and they keep\"missing"\many popular items that are there one day, gone the next w/ no change on price or availability ... always worthwhile doing a web search

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9ZH3S91415
 
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Don't forget 'Be Quiet!'. They make good CPU coolers that are also very quiet as well.
 
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Ragnorak - you likely mean the themis which is IMO better than the 212 evo while also running quieter.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA66Z28G4331&cm_re=Themis-_-9SIA66Z28G4331-_-Product

If cooler weight & height tends to bother you then seriously condider the Pallas too.
Its a flat blower with a big surface area & a 140mm fan.
While its main uses are slimline/htpc builds it's a very very good cooler in its own right (outperforms the 212 easily) & is supremely quiet.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA66Z28G9982&cm_re=Pallas-_-9SIA66Z28G9982-_-Product

Its low centre of gravity means very little board stress , it has zero ram interference ,& the mounting system is easy as pie.

 
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so Rajintek coolers are actually fairly decent? I was very skeptical since i saw no reviews and knowing they're a chinese/taiwan brand

Noise isnt a big factor to me but size and weight are since this is going in a mid tower deepcool tesseract case with a full size atx board and 3 drives with cabless running to them
 
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The Hyper 212 is very highly rated as a "great budget cooler. Do not mistake it for being rated as a "great cooler". The aforementioned coolers cool much better than the Hyper 212. If ya budget is $25... it's a great choice. if your budget is $50 ... it really doesn't come close.

In addition, I have take three Hyper 212's off Motherboards on boxes I was asked to rebuild after the user over tightened the clamping mechanism and either crushed circuit traces or cracked the MoBo.

As for other brands, there's many players out there.... bit there can only be one winner in each price category. For example, at one point, the Noctua NH-D14, Thermalright SIlver Arrow and Phanteks PH-TC14-PE were three coolers which did very well in any test. But the Phanteks came out on top ... so if you are gonna pay the same many for each.... then why settle for No. 2 or No. 3 ?

Weight is oft listed as a concern but fact is, outside of shipping via FedEx gorillas, is of no concern whatsoever.... sitting on your desk, a 1.5 pound heat sink is of no concern when the clamping force is 40 times greater 60+ pounds.

In a properly designed sized case... you should not see any drive cables, nor should they be anywhere near the cooler.

Two things primarily determine cooling performance ....air flow and surface area. There's no magic involved

Two things determine air flow, fan design and rpm. Design offers very little leeway. Yes some fans are better than others, but the best design might be 5 - 10% better at best.... Air flow however is mostly dependent upon rpm.... and more rpm means more noise.

More surface area requires a bigger heat sink. You want to reduce size, recognize that there is no way to accomplish that w/o reducing performance.

So what it comes down to it's a balancing act ... performance must be sacrificed when you want to reduce size or noise.
 
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alright, so in the sub $40 range, would i be better off with one of the two rajinteks madmatt30 mentioned, the 212, or the 400 or h5 uni?

 
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^ can't go wrong for $25 mate - good cooler.
& yes raijintek is IMO a very very good brand , build quality etc is excellent & the fans are very quiet.

You get a little sachet of paste with the themis.it doesn't look a lot but there is still enough for 2 or 3 installs so don't use it all in one go.half of it at the most.
 
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