Building a PC. Need Advise

Futurepilot98 · Aug 3, 2016

My build is here Just wondering what you guys think of it? Does it need anything more to play a game called WarThunder?

Woohoopy · Aug 3, 2016

Yeah looks good, War Thunder is well optimized. If you plan on playing in Realistic or Simulator mode (or doing historical battles), look into a joystick like the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.

Edit: Overclocking your CPU should remove any and all CPU bottlenecks if they arise while playing other more cpu intensive games.

bignastyid · Aug 3, 2016

It exceeds the recommended requirements for the game so it should run well.
http://www.geforce.com/games-applications/pc-games/war-thunder/system-requirements

helpstar · Aug 3, 2016

have a look at this, it´s better if you wanna upgrade in future, the am3+ socket is dead:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.38 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($65.38 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($59.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 950 2GB Video Card ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake Commander G41 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full - USB 32/64-bit ($117.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $632.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-03 05:31 EDT-0400

This windows version is not bundled to the hardware and can be installed on any further system you buy (just one at a time)
gtx950 is better than the 750ti
at least 250GB is recommended, better get a samsung 850evo if you can

Futurepilot98 · Aug 3, 2016

Woohoopy :

Joystick is check still have to figure out how to calibrate it. Any movement in a direction takes a few seconds..

Woohoopy · Aug 3, 2016

Futurepilot98 :

I have a good .blk setup file for the Logitech Extreme 3D pro on War Thunder.

If you remind me by instant message, I can send it to you when I get to my computer. I've been able to get 12 kill streaks on what used to be a basically impossible to use device.

So yeah, there is hope for the joystick my friend. Good luck in the air.

Chugalug_ · Aug 3, 2016

helpstar :

I recommend something along the lines of this, although it can be improved greatly.
That power supply is a damn fire hazard, and the SSD is not very good.
Some good alternatives are the Seasonic S12II 520w and the Sandisk SSD PLUS which are both high quality and reliable. The V300 is painfully generic, offering the same performance as other drives which either go for cheaper, or those that perform better for the same price.
I'll post a build below.

Chugalug_ · Aug 3, 2016

Compared to Helpstar's build, this includes a better quality power supply that won't start an unwanted fireplace (^.^), better quality RAM, a case with better build quality in terms of materials and a smaller form factor, and a better SSD for $20 more. Well worth it in my opinion.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/wDcDxY
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/wDcDxY/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.38 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($47.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($62.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 950 2GB Video Card ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($45.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($85.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $654.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-03 08:27 EDT-0400

helpstar · Aug 3, 2016

the evga 500B is no fireplace starter + it´s very cheap

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/500B/11.html

just chose a cheap ssd, which is not that bad, sandisk is fine too

bignastyid · Aug 3, 2016

helpstar :

It may not be complete garbage, but it's not good either. The V300 is also a very poor SSD(uses async nand), there are better drives in the same price range.

bignastyid · Aug 3, 2016

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($47.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($34.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Patriot Torch LE 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($56.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake Commander G41 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($85.89 @ OutletPC)
Other: 4GB RX 480 ($200.00)
Total: $635.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-03 12:25 EDT-0400

Chugalug_ · Aug 3, 2016

bignastyid :

Note that you're unlikely to actually find an RX 480 for $200.
Most are retailing for around the $239+ mark at least, which makes it a pain for budgeting!
Additionally, I think it's a little overkill for War Thunder!

Chugalug_ · Aug 3, 2016

helpstar :

"Ripple at +12V is on the high side at full load
Not Haswell ready (according to Intel's testing procedure)
Low hold-up time
Not-so-quiet operation"
Hold up time is essential in a good quality power supply, and high ripple at full load is also an issue when it comes to stability.
The Haswell ready point is also a large concern....

helpstar · Aug 4, 2016

and where did you see the fire? Because it´s not that good, doesn´t mean that in a normal not overclockable system, it would burn down. The ripple at full load: this system will never reach full load. even then , it wouldn´t burn.

haswell readyness proven in the field. The Intel unofficial leaked compatibility tool just says, it isn´t haswell ready. Doesn´t mean anything

To be clear, it´s not the best you could get, but it´s the best for this price and wattage. plus 3years warranty

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=351

Chugalug_ · Aug 4, 2016

helpstar :

Haswell processors have a new sleep state that isn't compatible with previous generation power supplies, although Skylake uses the same sleep state. It's sleep power draw is substantially lower compared to previous generations and can trigger uvp and force a system reset if the power supply is not compatible.
Intel undergoes these tests to make sure that the power supply doesn't screw with their components, the 500B failed in this regard.
I don't mean a literal fire, I mean that figuratively, in that it can fry components due to the above mentioned reason. If you spend an extra $15 or so to get a Seasonic S12II it is definitely worth it, as it gives you much better voltage regulation and a better OEM.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1500086/why-you-should-not-buy-an-evga-400-600-and-500b-600b

helpstar · Aug 4, 2016

there are two psus: one not rated as bronze, the 500W and the one I suggested, the 500B.

I know the haswell/skylake C6 / C7 low power thingy, but the 500B works with it.

I would go for a PSU which has at least a warranty of 5years.

Is the seasonic s12II 520W haswell ready? It´s just ATX version 2.2
http://www.overclock.net/t/1393042/seasonic-s12ii

the power states could be disabled in bios though to be sure

or spend another 10$ to get haswell ready M12II 520W

Chugalug_ · Aug 4, 2016

helpstar :

The M12II is essentially the same as the S12II with modular cables.....
Same platform, same components; virtually no difference apart from cable design, so I don't see why the S12II wouldn't be haswell ready either, especially considering it's good voltage control.

Edit: "Older or bargain basement power supply units may be unable to achieve this, and might become unstable or trigger a UVP/OVP shutdown once the system enters the C6/C7 power states."
This includes the 500B due to the poor ripple regulation that it suffers from at high load.

helpstar · Aug 4, 2016

Seasonic has no official statement about this, so the S12II could work or not.

EVGA reports the 500B to be haswell ready.

Chugalug_ · Aug 4, 2016

Intel does not... oh well, not gonna pursue this any further!

The short story is that the EVGA still has lower quality components and capacitors, while the Seasonic is higher quality, and I think it is definitely worth the extra $20 to ensure you are getting a quality product.
Remember that a PSU is the most crucial part of a system, if that breaks down, the whole lot is kaput until you can find a new one. In some cases power supplies with poor voltage regulation even fry components if over volted.

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