What would be the best gaming PC for 300-350 dollars?

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Hi ya'll.
So I am currently confused what to do, buy a new GPU on my current PC or get a new with a new GPU, so I thought why don't I make my own first build. I am inside a budget of around 30000 - 35000 Pakistani Rupees which is 300-350 dollars. If anyone could give me a nice PC for this budget, I could actually go for it. :)
 
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I would not go with an 860k, when you can get an i3 4130, for less. At least it can be upgraded to a Haswell i5, or i7, later.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor (₹8599.00 @ Amazon India)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-S1 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (₹3695.00 @ Amazon India)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (₹2600.00 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Samsung 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (₹5025.00 @ Amazon India)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card (Purchased For ₹0.00)
Case: Deepcool TESSERACT BF ATX Mid Tower Case (₹2750.00 @ Amazon...
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When you take into account import costs into Pakistan, it will be nearly impossible to build a PC for that price! :eek:
Especially when you take into account the limited availability of typically good value parts.
Sorry, but you're going to need to increase your budget a little bit, even in the US, an entry level gaming PC needs to have a budget of $400 at the VERY LEAST, and that's just for extremely light gaming at 60fps.
Optimally you want a budget of at least $500 USD in your case.

There is a chance I can upgrade your graphics card with your current components though, what are your specs?
 
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Your current CPU pretty much tops out with a 750ti. I wouldn't recommend going any higher due to the fact that you will see no additional gains due to a CPU bottleneck.
If you are going to upgrade anything in the future, I suggest that you get a better CPU, RAM and motherboard as a pose to a graphical upgrade, as your current platform and DDR2 RAM will not last much longer in terms of staying relevant in modern gaming.
If you can afford it, go for an i5 6500, a H1110M motherboard, and 16GB of RAM from either G.Skill in their Ripjaws V series, the Kingston (fury range) or Corsair's LPX series.
 
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I already have plans for upgrading, I just needed more info about motherboards as the GPU slots in them depend on what graphic card we can get.
My plan was to replace this PC with a new one, prolly give this one to some local shop in the nearby market of where I live. So I'd get about 50-80 dollars (I am giving my GPU to a friend so I'll be having HD 3600 as the default Graphic card.
As long as I can't get the whole PC online, I'll have to forget it, but I am still getting the graphic card online because there is no way I would find that here (at least not for a good price).
Although I am not even sure about the prices in Pakistan, after my final calculations I actually have about 373 dollars (38500 pkr)
I can find all the other specs in Pakistan, here's what I am planning:
Core i3 4160 (3.6 ghz)
8 GB ddr2
RX 480 4 GB GPU
Is this good enough or should I consider something else?
 
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It will not have 1060 speed by any means. It will have a raw 4 Tlops of performance, not necessarily in a desktop sized variant, most likely a custom amd mobile chip, and it is due out mid-late next year. Not worth holding out for. By then there will be better priced options in the PC market, whether that come in the form of lowered prices or new cards from Nvidia.
 
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not by any means? if not the same speed it will be CLOSE to GTX 1060 , maybe GTX 970 speed at minimum . STILL GREAT ! This is one .

two , it has 8 cores AMD Chip running at 2.1 Ghz each , when all used in games that would be FAST , and dont compare it to PC , in Consoles they use every bit of hardware , they will use all cores.

Three , you can buy it this Christmas it is coming in 2016 .

The Console that is coming late next year is the Xbox Scorpio ... with 6 Teraflops ! Thats INSAAAANE !
 
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Raw Tflops does not = performance. Note that all the info we have right now comes from company specific marketing.
They have to fit this performance into a $300ish box, and manufacturing costs have to be MUCH lower than that in order to maintain a profit. It is unlikely that they will be able to fit a card of this power with say an FX-8 core CPU, motherboard, 1TB storage, inbuilt power supply, Xbox OS which also adds to the cost and shipping costs.
There is also the margin the seller makes on the product adding to costs.
There is much more to it than you think.

Also note that 2GHz is actually quite a low CPU clock, and would be unlikely to keep up with something of 970 power, considering that an FX-6300 can barely get the job done at 4GHz with 6 cores.
It will be optimized, but there will always be a bottleneck if there is a 970 power graphics chip in there. Note that this will 100% be a mobile variant, not a fat desktop GPU as you seem to think.

Consoles have much different cost models to PCs.
 
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lol lets wait and see shall we ?

and you are wrong about CPU thing , you dont compare PC to console , the console games take advantage of all the hardware , unlike PC games that barely use 4 cores ..

and more over , the Console access the hardware faster than PC , there is no huge layer between the hardware and OS like in the PC .

and finally , 8 cores 2G will be like 4G 4 cores , they chosen more cores and less frequency to lower the watts... and again dont compare to PC , they will use those 8 cores to the full.

and finally , Consoles aim at 60fps only , so is not a big deal for them ... but you will play ultra on fhd at 60 fps in PS4 NEO.

and to the end of this argument ... wait and see ... you will be surprised !

if you can give me a 350$ PC that can give this I will be happy lol

 
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What did I just read?

8cores @ 2GHz does not = 4cores @ 4GHz, that's simply not how it works.

Don't compare to PC? Fundamentally, that's what they are. Motherboard, CPU, RAM, GPU...
Actually, consoles are more akin to laptops - lower wattage versions of CPUs, mobile GPUs etc.

Consoles "aim" at 60FPS? No. Games are optimized to run at 60FPS. That means reaching 60FPS at a specific preset, currently, right around 'medium' settings.

Consoles are built to a price, not priced to the build.

Taking into consideration that the OS is their own (so no cost involved), they have their own manufacturing facilities (no third party cost), will only provide mobile GPUs, use proprietary motherboards and (generally) solders hardware - this is a comparable build (if mobile versions were used OEM and not retail):
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CPU: AMD Athlon X4 880K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($83.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($44.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Kingston 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($14.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($34.25 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($32.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $441.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-08 23:08 EDT-0400

Now those are retail components, upgradeable. The PS4 Neo has the OEM factor, making their cost much cheaper.

Now, would I rather have that build (with a mobile GPU, not a desktop GPU) or....something like this at $500

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CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus H110M-A/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($34.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 250GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($21.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 480 8GB Video Card ($239.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Rosewill FBM-05 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($32.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $504.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Fully upgradeable. Actually 4K capable (although I'd keep it 1440p), and retail cost? I'd take the $500 build all day long.

I'm not getting into a "show me a $350 build" argument here, as I don't have my own manufacturing facility or OEM relationships to keep cost down. Neither do you though. Pricing with mainstream retail hardware, $500 is roughly the minimum you'd need for quality gaming performance. The Neo is also going to launch >$350, likely a $100 or so premium for the 'latest and greatest'. Somewhere between $400-$500 if I were to hazard a guess
 
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yes you dont compare to pc because of the following :

1- Consoles use full potential of the hardware using all cores .
2- There is no huge layer between the game an the Hardware ... unlike Widows ...
3- your information is true about old consoles , we never had such a jump to 4 a.d 6 TFLOPS in consoles before .
4- I prefer star wars
 
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1. Use all hardware? Well what does that tell you than current gen consoles need 8 cores to reach 60FPS on MEDIUM (generally) at 1080p (again, generally), where regular consumer desktop hardware can achieve the same thing with Dual Cores + hyper-threading?

2. Huge layer between the hardware? I'll give a little on that argument when comparing to Windows. Sony have got that right. There are alternatives, like SteamOS that are bridging the gap though.

3. It's been stated already, TFLOPS are a poor performance judgement (when used as a sole argument). The 390X is a near 6TFLOP card. Then again, so was the workstation class FirePro S10000 - so it's a poor judgement to view overall.
 
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1- again dont compare to old consoles . old consoles are some 1.6 tflops , no argument here .. we are jumping 2.5x to 3x times
2- still PS4 is better at it.
3- dont bring in workstation cards to blurry the argument , I did say even if not near GTX 1060 , it will be at least near gtx 970 ... which is still great . we never got near that performance in consoles before .
4- lets wait and see shall we ?
5- the guy is in pakistan , you usa prices mean nothing to him ...
 
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I'm not comparing old gen consoles.....I'm comparing current gen.....
Samer get your facts straight please. We are giving advice and evidencing facts with well rounded arguments while your responses consist of simple you are wrong I am right arguments.
I'm afraid you don't know that much about the subject, and that's okay.
Barty can back me up on this, if i'm wrong, so be it and i'll learn from it. :)
I suggest you do some research before you go giving people false information.
Some good places to learn about stuff are obviously; Tom's Hardware :p, Youtube, Overclockers UK, Linus Tech Tips forums, and various news outlets such as Kitguru and Overclockers club which do reviews and compare components.
Just thought i'd make you aware, good luck! ;)
 
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you cant compare current consoles , because they are 1.6 TFLOPS CRAP SLOW .. we never had 4.1 TFLOPS console before this is a Huge LEAP.

I will ignore your personal remarks ...
 
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I'm not giving any personal remarks.
I'm stating facts.
PC does not work the same as console, they are vastly different. What equals 4 TFLOPS on PC by no means equals 4 TFLOPS on console due to the fact they operate on cut down mobile chips, not full graphics cards. Here is an example, and i'm afraid if you can't accept this then I don't know what to do.
Lets use previous gen consoles as an example.
A PS3 with 1.6TFLOPs as you say.
A GTX 750ti has 1.3 TFLOPS, so the PS3 should easily beat it in terms of performance, correct?

Incorrect. Even though the PS3 graphics chip is more optimized, it simply doesn't have the same performance as a full fat desktop GPU, therefore you can't possibly expect the new consoles to have the same power as a GTX 970.
Here is a comparison between the graphics card the PS3's chip is BASED ON, meaning the card listed is what would have been the full version of the graphics chip present on the PS3 had it not been cut down, meaning this is a very generous comparison. The 750ti actually has a lower TFLOP count at 1.3 TFOPS. See the performance difference.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-750-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GeForce-7800-GTX/2187vsm12348

Also here is the CPU comparison between the i5 4690 and AMD's FX 9590. The 4690 has 4 cores compared to the FX 9590's 8, and is clocked at a significantly lower speed. As you can see the Intel beats it by a mile, at a 55% higher score in Cinebench R10, and a 75% higher geekbench score with a 50% larger LN2 cache. Clock speeds and cores are not everything. Brush up on your facts, I can help you if you want, just ask.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4690-vs-AMD-FX-9590
 
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ps3 huh ? current console is PS4 ... you dont even know what you are writing and you dont even know anything about consoles

and dont dare you say it is a typo , you repeated PS3 word 5 times , Thats not a typo , This exposes you .

and your personal remarks are their attacking my knowledge .. did I attack your Knowledge when you made mistakes around here ? so I will ignore your remarks about me you can keep them. and I did not say any mistake here

I am Glad you made the PS3 mistake , tells me alot .

have a nice day , becareful next time when you say wrong information . I bet you never touched PS3 or PS 4 in your life

dont bother to reply I am unfollowing This thread
 
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I own both an Xbox One and a PS3....
I said "Lets use previous gen consoles as an example."..............
How on earth has it come to this. :(
 
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It's been stated already, TFLOPS are a poor performance judgement (when used as a sole argument). The 390X is a near 6TFLOP card. Then again, so was the workstation class FirePro S10000 - so it's a poor judgement to view overall.
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But....but.....but, TFLOPS right?:lol:



Some people just don't want to read, and will hone in on whatever they want Chugalug. I assume Samer just didn't choose to read the "lets use previous gen consoles as an example" part.



Works for me - maybe we can actually get back on topic rather than randomly yelling "TFLOPS"?



 
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Using PCPP to get an idea, it's almost impossible to put together a worthwhile rig for ~38,500 Pakistani Rupee

The nearest I can get (without trawling the web for stores that'll display in Pakistani Rupee's) is to use India, although it's limited to Amazon. 38,500 Pakistani is about 25,000 Indian Rupee....
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor (₹9832.00 @ Amazon India)
Motherboard: Asus A68HM-K Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard (₹3900.00 @ Amazon India)
Memory: Klevv Urbane 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (₹3750.00 @ Amazon India)
Storage: A-Data Premier SP550 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (₹2922.00 @ Amazon India)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card (Purchased For ₹0.00)
Case: Deepcool TESSERACT BF ATX Mid Tower Case (₹2750.00 @ Amazon India)
Power Supply: Corsair VS 450W ATX Power Supply (₹2599.00 @ Amazon India)
Total: ₹25753.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-09 23:55 IST+0530

Includes your existing 750ti + existing mechanical storage.

The PSU is far, far from the best, but options are very limited. That rig + 750TI isn't going to be capable of pulling anything more than 200W in 'real world' usage, so you'd not be stressing that PSU beyond 50% of it's capabilities, so you should be fine.

You're not getting any upgradeability with it, but at your budget, that's to be expected.

The CPU is going to bottleneck anything beyond a 960, so keep that in mind for a future GPU upgrade.
 
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