AMD Phenom II x4 965 Cooling problem

swagglikerichie · Aug 16, 2016

Previously had a pc with no case fans, stock cpu cooler on my CPU and it would record temps up to 80C via speedfan. I had similar results with HWMonitor

I looked into what I could do, and found out a new case, case fans, and new cpu cooler would help me out tremendously.

I have the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler along with 2 case fans, 120mm intake and exhaust. (front and rear)

My cpu right now, (surfing the web and SpeedFan running) is at
Temp1: 39C (shot up to 40C)
Temp2: 56C (wow just shot to 59C)
Temp3: 34C

Running a stress test with Prime95 put me at 62C and counting, I was scared to run it any longer than 5mins.

I re-applied thermal paste after having similar results with the new build, any suggestions?

Previously, the CPU ran so hot on the stock cooler, could that have damaged the chip so much that it is causing this problem?

CountMike · Aug 16, 2016

Grab AOD (AMD Overdrive) and check temps with it.
Are you overclocking at all ?

MeanMachine41 · Aug 16, 2016

Hi swagglikerichie

Your temps are not excessive on AIR cooling and depends on the OC or core voltage applied.
Prime95 is an aggressive tester although Temps are not bad at 62C and again depending on how long you test for and which test you do.

There are better alternatives. Download AIDA64 which can also test your sub systems, DIMMs,GPU etc.

Do not allow your system to exceed 62c under max load and you will be OK.

swagglikerichie · Aug 16, 2016

While gaming cpu hovered around 65C, but the gpu (AMD Radeon HD 7700) was at 50C and one of the fans started to whistle a little bit. I believe it was the CPU fan because I haven't heard anything like that before.

CountMike · Aug 16, 2016

Unless you can get exact temperature, you'll never know and that you can't unless you use proper program, AOD.

swagglikerichie · Aug 16, 2016

Ok I installed Overdrive and it has been reporting the same temperatures that SpeedFan has at idle. Should I test under load and get back you?

CountMike · Aug 16, 2016

Yes, do that. Turn Logging on and use AOD tests under full load. Idle temps are not that important.
Don't forget that AOD uses temperature margins so higher that number is, cooler it is. Also shows core temperatures which are even more important than package temps most other programs show.
Goal is to hold temp margins above 10c.

swagglikerichie · Aug 17, 2016

I ran AOD and the thermal margin remained at 39C, under prime95. SpeedFan fand AOD reported the same temperatures whilst looking at "Fan Control" section of AOD.

They both shot up to almost 69C

Gam3r01 · Aug 17, 2016

MeanMachine41 :

The maximum operation temperature for the 965 is 63C, 80C is far too warm.

swagglikerichie · Aug 17, 2016

That's what I've been saying, but user CountMike says it is the thermal margin that is the most important

Gam3r01 · Aug 17, 2016

Thermal margin is the difference from the max temp, so in this case the difference from 63C.
I personally use coretemp, it has been accurate with my 965 (OCed to 4.2), reporting same temps as AOD.

MeanMachine41 · Aug 17, 2016

Gam3r01 :

MeanMachine41 :

The maximum operation temperature for the 965 is 63C, 80C is far too warm.

Yea thanks for picking up on that Gam3r01. I forgot TJMax is at 62C for that chip.

swagglikerichie · Aug 17, 2016

CoreTemp isn't accurate, it just said 31C idle or not lol

I thought a reason that HWMonitor or CoreTemp didn't work was because phenom processor's weren't able to be read, and you have to look at the temperature of the motherboard.
HWMonitor remains at 31C as well under stress test

Gam3r01 · Aug 17, 2016

There could be a faulty temp sensor in your processor, if that many programs cant read it properly.
I personally dont trust speedtemp either.

If the system is not throttling or shutting down technically you would be ok.
Post a pic (if you can) of AOD while under load

swagglikerichie · Aug 17, 2016

Gam3r01 :

What should the picture of AOD be? "Fan Control" section or "CPU Status"
- My gut says go with the obvious lol

Gam3r01 · Aug 17, 2016

CPU status lol, the portion with the graphs and thermal margins

swagglikerichie · Aug 17, 2016

Ok, under load AOD and HWMonitor "Fan Control":
http://imgur.com/EvbsDmY

Under load AOD & HWMonitor "CPU Status":
http://imgur.com/N26MMko

Idle "Fan Control":
http://imgur.com/N26MMko

Gam3r01 · Aug 17, 2016

So does your thermal margin always report 39C or does it ever change?

swagglikerichie · Aug 17, 2016

Never changed, idle nor stressed

Gam3r01 · Aug 17, 2016

I think your temperature probe is non functional.
If your system is stable, does not crash, and does not throttle I would not worry about it.
A 212 EVO (even with 2 case fans) is more than enough for a 965@3.8GHz
My EVO managed to handle 1.5v easily.

swagglikerichie · Aug 17, 2016

Throttle eh...

Every now and then it'll "hiccup" for about 45 seconds until it "collects" itself all over again, then it goes back to normal.

The rig I had before this contained (embarrassingly) a case with no intake nor exhaust, and stock cpu cooler.

Could the countless hours and hot summers have damaged the chip, mobo, or both?

Gam3r01 · Aug 17, 2016

I doubt there was any damage done to the system, they usually would shut down to prevent this.

If you watch the clock speeds when the hiccups happen see if they drop.

MeanMachine41 · Aug 17, 2016

swagglikerichie :

Little bit concerned on the 5V rail at just 3.027 Max and your 12V rail is 13.992.
This maybe due to using two Monitoring systems at the same time.
If it continues I would check out the PSU.

Gam3r01 · Aug 17, 2016

Oh nice catch there.

Check the voltages in the BIOS and post them here, might be the reason you are having issues.

swagglikerichie · Aug 17, 2016

ok here they come:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m37rr66bma82481/2016-08-16%2022.18.34.jpg?dl=0

I'm thinking about changing the bios "mode" to standard mode

Quick update: Thermal Margin idle or load in AOD now reads 70C

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