New gaming setup ram/heatsink/mboard solution?

ironcorvus · Aug 16, 2016

Hello

Ive been out of the loop for building your own pc's that i no longer trust myself to make no mistakes. Ive been prepairing component list for my new gaming rig.
Here's what i came up with so far:

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170-gaming K3 EU S11514 DDR4 USB3.1 A
Processor: Intel Core i7 6700K 4 4.0GHZ LGA1151

Ram: ??? heres my first problem. I was recommended Kingston. The board has 4 x DDR4 DIMM sockets supporting up to 64 GB of system memory. Initially i wanted to buy 2 sticks of 16GB ram and later to upgrade to 64GB but the problem is ive been recomended noctua or bequiet dark rock 3 cooling for the procesor and i dont think theres a memmory that will physicaly fit under those heat sinks.
COOLER: ???

GPU: Asus GeForce GTX 1070 STRIX VR Ready
HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB SATAIII 64MB 7200RPM
SSD: Adata Premier Pro SP900 SSD 256GB
PSU: Silentium Vero M1 600W PSU 80 Plus 2xPEG Modular
CASE: Cooler Master N300
Monitor: something with realistic colors for graphics design and 1ms reaction time for gaming altho that i can buy later....

So how would You deal with the 4x 64 gb memory slots to be filled and not conflict with a good heatsink for gaming? Shoudl i stick to 32GB of ram, should i change the cooler or maybe look for a diferent motherboard? If You find any other incompatibilities or poor part choices let me know aswell.

Overall i want to close the budget between 1600-1800USD for the PC and about 300-500USD for the monitor. The setup is mainly for gaming but i do some vector graphics design too hence good colors for the monitor and a fast reaction time both are important.

Thanks for Your input.
Greg

sadams04 · Aug 16, 2016

MEM - Stick with 1.2v modules. No need to go crazy on memory. DDR4-2400 CL15 will be just fine. Look toward low profile modules or ones without tall heatsyncs.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H5 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($56.69 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($137.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($62.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Sandisk X400 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($84.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Dual Series Video Card ($433.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool KENDOMEN Red ATX Mid Tower Case ($50.49 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: AOC Q2778VQE 27.0" 60Hz Monitor ($282.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1572.87

Barty1884 · Aug 16, 2016

Ok, is this a 'gaming' rig, or a graphics design rig? Or both?

If gaming, the 6700K + >16GB RAM is overkill. 6600K + 16GB would be more than sufficient.

I'm assuming you're aiming for both gaming, and graphic design.

Some notes/comments:
*$150 motherboard, when a $100 board would do the same job - unless the board matches a colour scheme etc.
*ADATA SP900 is more of a 'budget' SSD, a Samsung 850 EVO is near 'king' of SSDs
*the PSU I've never heard of. Usually, if you haven't heard of a PSU, that's a pretty bad sign.

As for the RAM vs heatsink. I assume you're talking the Noctua NH-D15 (or D14). While low-profile RAM is ideal, the front fans can actually be raised, allowing additional clearance - assuming your case has the room to allow you to raise it up.

Essentially, "RAM is RAM". You don't need to go with Kingston. There's many quality alternatives.

Your case doesn't support the NH-D15, so I've switched it out.

I'd suggest something like this:PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($88.49 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170A-X1/3.1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($97.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.39 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.40 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($452.55 @ OutletPC)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Titanium) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.91 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: AOC Q2778VQE 27.0" 60Hz Monitor ($282.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1776.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-16 10:46 EDT-0400

You could save around $60 on the GPU not going for a STRIX variant, and there's a few dollars to be saved in other areas, but this is a very solid build.

g-unit1111 · Aug 16, 2016

ironcorvus :

Kingston is a decent recommendation but better would be G.Skill or Corsair. Pretty much all RAM comes off the same assembly line in Taiwan. Noctua was also a good suggestion but Phanteks and Cryrorig also make some pretty awesome coolers.

So how would You deal with the 4x 64 gb memory slots to be filled and not conflict with a good heatsink for gaming? Shoudl i stick to 32GB of ram, should i change the cooler or maybe look for a diferent motherboard? If You find any other incompatibilities or poor part choices let me know aswell

Why do you need 64GB for a gaming machine? Unless you're setting up a RAM disk or running VMs having that much RAM on a gaming PC is incredibly pointless. Also, whoever recommended that PSU clearly does not know what they are talking about in that area.

Don't worry about getting 64GB of RAM or even 32GB - it is simply not needed. 16GB is the max I would recommend unless you are using it for other purposes, but for gaming it is a waste. And whoever suggested that to you I would also say does not know what they are talking about. I would invest in better graphics especially if you have 4K or VR in mind. This is what I would suggest for your budget:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($56.64 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Extreme6+ ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($184.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.39 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card ($629.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($97.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $1717.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-16 10:58 EDT-0400

Barty1884 · Aug 16, 2016

If I'm reading it correctly, I suspect the OP is looking for graphic design capabilities too (judging from the monitor comments/requirements). 16GB likely still sufficient, but there's no harm in some extra RAM (provided the funds are not being taken from something more urgent).

g-unit1111 · Aug 16, 2016

Barty1884 :

Even for graphic design the actual RAM requirements for most Adobe CS 5/6 programs are pretty low. It's the 3rd party plugins that require the extra RAM and CPU horsepower.

ironcorvus · Aug 16, 2016

I do some vector design, 32gb ram i can manage its already better than what i work on now but id like to be able to upgrade to 64gb if ill need to work on very large files. The monitor has a separate budget of 300-500USD. I updated first post, sorry for the confusion.

Barty1884 · Aug 16, 2016

Oh I agree, I'm not saying they need 16GB+, just that there's certainly no harm in it if the budget allows - although they could always upgrade in future if needed.

g-unit1111 · Aug 16, 2016

ironcorvus :

Oh OK that makes sense then. I still think whoever recommended you a lot of that hardware doesn't know what they are talking about. Actually in your case I think I might recommend an X99 build since you can have up to 128GB of RAM and having six cores would actually help with design programs more than 4 cores would. Try this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6800K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($399.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($56.64 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI X99A GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LED 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($183.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 950 PRO 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($186.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($450.81 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400S ATX Mid Tower Case ($87.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1801.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-16 11:26 EDT-0400

You could also get a less expensive motherboard and upgrade the GPU to a 1080 and still come in under budget.

ironcorvus · Aug 16, 2016

Yea i think a cheaper motherboard will be a better solution, pretty lights are nice but i dont put high value on them, i care about performance for the price mainly, right now im trying to just beat the prices down (pricing in europe tends to be up to 20% higher on some parts and im asuming newegg doesnt ship internationally for free) so im thinking asus 1070 and a cheaper board ( ASRock Z170 Extreme6+ ATX LGA1151 Motherboard You sugested before or ASRock Z170A-X1/3.1 ATX LGA1151 as Barty wrote or would the cheaper one affect performance i read 1070 does doom4 on ultra with about 90fps which is more than what you need. Im also worried about the cooler and ram compatibility but i asume the cryorig you recommended will do just fine and wont sound like a jet plane or let the procesor melt, i seen it has good performance and is right up there with noctua and dr3 despite cheaper price and smaller size.

I like the phantex rig its just a shame that the only 1 windowed and avalible to me seems to be a white one, black windowless it is then.

Right now im comparing pricing of the parts suggested making up a list ill post it here when im done.

PS i also dont think ill be needing 3 way SLI, 2 is plenty

PS2 32GB ram will be plenty aswell having learned no game needs that much and for editing vector i cant see needing more than that for now either, in the end if ill need it 4 years on ill just look for a ram swap option then.

g-unit1111 · Aug 16, 2016

Yea i think a cheaper motherboard will be a better solution, pretty lights are nice but i dont put high value on them, i care about performance for the price mainly, right now im trying to just beat the prices down (pricing in europe tends to be up to 20% higher on some parts and im asuming newegg doesnt ship internationally for free

That MSI board I generally prefer because for the price it has a nice combination of features, RAM allotment, and can be customized to your liking, as well as its one of the few that supports the 6800K out of the box with no BIOS update required.

What country are you in? That will make a huge difference. Newegg has distribution in the Netherlands and covers most of Europe.

I like the phantex rig its just a shame that the only 1 windowed and avalible to me seems to be a white one, black windowless it is then.

There's other Phanteks cases available. I own and highly recommend the Enthoo Pro. I chose that one because it's cheaper and has no optical drive bays (all about going ODD-less).

PS i also dont think ill be needing 3 way SLI, 2 is plenty

On the 10XX series, 3-way SLI is not an option.

PS2 32GB ram will be plenty aswell having learned no game needs that much and for editing vector i cant see needing more than that for now either, in the end if ill need it 4 years on ill just look for a ram swap option then.

Yeah that's fine. One thing I like about X99 is that it has a 128GB max. Now you will most likely never need or use that much, but it is nice to know that it's there.

ironcorvus · Aug 16, 2016

Im from Poland.

Yea my main need for an optical drive would be to install the system, but there are other ways,i can try installing from a usb or even borrowing a drive and plugging it in just for the instalation. Bios upgrading isnt an issue for me, its gotten even easier now with the times.

Ok so here is what i come up with now:

INTEL CORE i7 -6700K 4x4.0GHZ LGA1151 1376.1
Asus GeForce GTX 1070 8GB 2199
ASRock Z170A-X1/3.1 ATX LGA1151 455
Cryorig H5 Ultimate CR-H5B 189,00
EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650 80 Plus Gold 534
Phanteks ECLIPSE P400S ATX Mid Tower Case 354
CORSAIR VENGEANCE LED DDR4 2X16GB 2666MHZ CL16 WHITE 922
SEAGATE BARRACUDA 2TB 3,5" (ST2000DM006) 323
Adata Premier Pro SP900 SSD 256GB 299

this is 6651pln which is 1755USD total

I went back to adata ssd to cut corners... dont know if its a good decision.
Now perhaps some ram thats a tiny bit cheaper

My logic on the fan is that Cryorig ultimate seemed better performance for same price as standard. It has a bigger fan and can go over ram slots but with standard low profile ram it shouldnt be an issue and if it is the fan can be mooved up a notch presumably making it those 15% less efficient that you gain from it being a ultimate and not universal but hey, it may never become a problem and then its just a tad better fan than the universal for thesame price.

g-unit1111 · Aug 16, 2016

ironcorvus :

If you're from Poland there's a ton of stores that probably ship local to where you live and that can save you some money there: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1643019/guide-international-users-links-part-stores.html

I went back to adata ssd to cut corners... dont know if its a good decision.
Now perhaps some ram thats a tiny bit cheaper

You could but stick with the Samsung. Samsung makes some of the best SSDs on the market and I pretty much won't build with anything else.

My logic on the fan is that Cryorig ultimate seemed better performance for same price as standard. It has a bigger fan and can go over ram slots but with standard low profile ram it shouldnt be an issue and if it is the fan can be mooved up a notch presumably making it those 15% less efficient that you gain from it being a ultimate and not universal but hey, it may never become a problem and then its just a tad better fan than the universal for thesame price.

I have a Cryorig H5, it's a solid cooler. You can't go wrong with it.

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