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I will have around $200 to spend on a new motherboard. I was planning on updating my current motherboard (I have a OEM Intel 1155 Mobo) and was wanting to upgrade it since I'm upgrading the case and power supply. Newegg has a deal with an i3 6100 and motherboard. Buying the 1155 motherboard will be around $70, while the Newer i3 6100/Mobo will cost $190. Any ideas on what I should do?
 
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Sorry it took so long to reply, for whatever reason Yahoo sent the reply notification email to my spam folder, so I didn't see it.

This is what I understand so far, I hope I've got it right:

You want to change cases and power supplies. You can't put your OEM board into a new case, so it's either buy a board with the same socket and use the current CPU, or change motherboards and get an i3-6100 and an 1151 motherboard.

There are a couple things you should consider here.

-If you plan on using the same memory, you need to make sure the motherboard that combo comes with supports it. There are 1151 boards that take DDR3, DDR3L, and DDR4 memory. Your system either has DDR3 or DDR3L. You also run the risk of that OEM memory not liking the...
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In your situation, my decision would be based on what kind of CPU is in your system right now. 1155 has support for Ivy Bridge (3rd-gen i3/i5/i7) chips, if it were something like an i5-3570 I wouldn't even bother changing out any parts because Intel's IPC doesn't seem to improve much between generations. Just my two cents.

I don't see much point in buying another 1155 motherboard if you already have one, unless you're wanting to use a CPU that's not supported by your current motherboard.

I don't mean to be rude, but do you have a specific reason for upgrading?
 
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Sorry I meant to state my current CPU-its a i5 2400. The reason I have to upgrade is that my motherboard can't be put into a new case, and my current psu cant be upgraded (proprietary stuff).

 
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Sorry it took so long to reply, for whatever reason Yahoo sent the reply notification email to my spam folder, so I didn't see it.

This is what I understand so far, I hope I've got it right:

You want to change cases and power supplies. You can't put your OEM board into a new case, so it's either buy a board with the same socket and use the current CPU, or change motherboards and get an i3-6100 and an 1151 motherboard.

There are a couple things you should consider here.

-If you plan on using the same memory, you need to make sure the motherboard that combo comes with supports it. There are 1151 boards that take DDR3, DDR3L, and DDR4 memory. Your system either has DDR3 or DDR3L. You also run the risk of that OEM memory not liking the new motherboard, it does happen from time to time. Memory is not my strong area so I can't advise you on that.

-Changing CPUs is a double-edged sword. On one hand, the i5-2400 isn't a slouch just yet. It's still a very capable chip. You could get by for another few years with it. And by changing to the i3, you would be losing two physical cores. On the other hand, however, changing to an 1151 motherboard is a good idea because it opens up a very nice upgrade path; supposedly Intel's next line of processors, code-named "Kaby Lake", will fit in the 1151 socket. So if you decide to upgrade the CPU in the future it will be very easy.

If you change out motherboards, the end result will basically be a newly-built system, save the memory and any hard drives (assuming you plan on re-using/can reuse those). Keep in mind that you will need to acquire a new copy of Windows since the current installation will no doubt detect the change in motherboards...

If you want my personal opinion, I would go ahead and spring on that combo. Assuming the motherboard that's included in it isn't garbage, $190 is a pretty good price for both components. You could sell the i5-2400. Or maybe save it for another build - I think I could make a nice ITX build with one, for example.

Whew. Sorry for the long post.
 
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Thank you for your help! Sadly, I already got the new motherboard for my i5 2400 (I'll probably get the new ZEN cpus if they do hold up to what they are supposed to be). You said I would need a new copy of windows. Would i need a new copy for my new motherboard? I have it all built, and it won't boot and Im trying to figure out what I did wrong. Will this not let my PC start? My MOBO-ASRock H61M-DP3/ASM LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

Thanks!
 
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Windows treats a change of motherboards as building an entirely new machine, even if all other components are the same.

But if your system will not boot, that is a different problem altogether. Your computer should at least POST (power-on self test) and at least attempt to boot into an OS. Worst-case scenario, Windows would tell you that it is not valid (which it undoubtedly will).

Tell me:

1. Have you ever installed a motherboard before?
2. Can you see any lights/LEDs on the motherboard before you press the power button?
3. Do any fans spin up when you press the power button?
4. Do you see any lights on the case light up when you press the power button?
5. Please tell me which power supply you bought, if you bought one.

Once you answer those questions, I'll have a better idea of what your problem could be. I have the AsRock website for your motherboard up, so I can reference that.

*Something about Windows I forgot to mention earlier - you can try to activate Windows again using the Activation dialogue. I have successfully activated Windows in the past using the phone method after changing motherboards. So once you get this issue sorted out, you may want to give that a try.
 
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1-No, but I have seen many people do it.
2-No
3-No
4-No
5- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438014

I am really hoping it was me just messing up and not a broken part.
 
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I highly doubt it is a broken part, as long as you were careful. And while DOA parts do happen, they are few and far in-between.

Since there are no lights on the motherboard, it is likely that the motherboard is not recieving any power.

First, check to make sure the power supply is turned on. There is a switch on the back. People do forget to do this sometimes.

If that's not the issue, please check the 24-pin ATX power connector and ensure that it is properly and securely plugged in.
 
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Ya, I made sure that everything is plugged in, does it matter how the pins in the 24 power connector on the mobo goes in? Assuming they can go in either way.
 
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The pins on ATX power connectors are shaped in such a way that they can only be inserted one way. You will also notice that there is a small clip on one side of the power connector; this should snap into another clip on the motherboard.

If you are certain that the 24-pin is inserted correctly, then the next step would be to check the front-panel header. If you've never installed a motherboard before, placing the case leads in the FPH can be a little confusing. Ensure that the POWER_SW lead on the case is inserted onto the correct pins on the motherboard. If this is wrong, then your system has no chance of booting.

It is also a good idea to check the 4 or 8-pin CPU power connector, without that inserted properly your system will not boot either.
 
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I'm pretty sure the CPU connector is connected all the way, but IDK what clip you are talking about. You don't just put the ATX power connector in?

Edit: I looked up the clip, but my connector doesn't have that. My MOBO came with what looks like the Power connector, but it has the clip in it. Can you take one out and put in the other?

Edit 2: I am also confused on the Front Header pins as well. My MOBO has them like Power light Plus and Minus, HD Light plus and minus (All single pins) Then Power connector (1pin) Ground, reset (1pin) then another ground. My case has the Power lights and HD lights, but has a 2pin power switch and a 2pin reset switch. I can make all of them fit, but Is the 2pin power switch supposed to also be in the ground slot?

Edit 9001: Sorry for all the edits, but I really want to fix this. IDK if this will help, but I can show you what the PSU and MOBO are.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438014 POWER SUPPLY
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157456 MOTHERBOARD

I really do appreciate your help btw.
 
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Thanks so much for the help! It was about 3 days ago when I was just messing with the Pins and got it working! (I think the reason why I was confused so much was because my motherboard is a little older than my Case, so the case had (newer or different) pins. All good now!
 
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