Upgrading me PC specs (Graphics card and SSD)

MentalistBS

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Hello everyone,

I'm about to upgrade my PC specs a little bit and i was wondering if i can get some advices on what to get for a budget of 500$.

Here are my current pc specs:

Power supply: RS-500-PCAR-I3 (500W)
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: B85-HD3
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4460 CPU @ 3.20GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.2GHz
Graphics Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660
Memory: 8192MB RAM
HDD: 1 TB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)

I was hoping to get a better graphics card and an SSD. So what are your recommendations? knowing that this is for gaming not for rendering or cinema 4d stuff.

Thanks in advance!

Regards,
Menta
 
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For the GTX 1060, the MSI Gaming X is outright better than the Gigabyte G1 Gaming in temperature and minor advantage in term of performance; both MSI and Gigabyte have multiple versions of the GTX1060 so this comment is specifics to the comparison of these 2 top-of-the-line models from either manufacturers only (well, Gigabyte true top-of-the-line is the Xtreme Gaming series, but I don't think they've announced a GTX1060 Xtreme). Your K281 has room for graphic card of up to 315mm in length; both the above mentioned GTX1060s are around 277mm so they'll fit inside the case with some room to spare.

The GTX660 is specified as a 140W card; the GTX 1060 is specified as a 120W card. You're not going to suddenly see a...

BoondockSaint080

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Murat has a good solution but potentially wait for the RX480's to come back in stock and opt for one of those. allowing you to get an even better SSD. if you think you could do way better than a 1060 and sacrifice some storage or money, go with a 1070 and pick up a 250GB SSD, keep yo mothafuckin HDD for storage and call it a day. right now on amazon the samsung 850 EVO (250GB SSD) is $90 and the 1070 on newegg ranges from $400 to $480 so you have options there. if you're able to push your budget you can up the SSD capacity. if not, i would do the 1070 setup but only due to the already present 1 TB HDD
 

FD2Raptor

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Storage: Sandisk Ultra II 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($126.85 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB G1 Gaming Video Card ($294.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $480.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-17 20:37 EDT-0400

If I'm not mistaken your PSU is a CM Extreme Power Plus 500W which is a low quality PSU and could prove to be problematic if you were to leave it as is and went to the GTX1070.
The Gigabyte 1060 is 10.94 inches (278mm) in length, so make sure that your case has enough room for it.
 

MentalistBS

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Okay, it seems that you guys recommend 1070 more, but i have some doubts:

1. Will it function properly with my Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4460 CPU @ 3.20GHz ?!
2. Will it even fit on my motherboard ( B85-HD3 )
3. What cooling system should i pick ?
4. For a better power supply, what brand/type should i go for, if i'm to consider a 700~750W ?
5. What do you think about the Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1070 Xtreme Gaming ? Or you have a better version in mind?
 

FD2Raptor

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1> Your i5-4460 will be the bottleneck in CPU intensive games, or if you try to run the 1070 to its max potential (1440p@60hz or 1080p@144hz) otherwise, it'll do just fine.
2> The better question should be will it fit your case? How big a graphic card can your case take?
3> Not sure what you mean by this. Cooling for CPU? Exra case fans? Or the cooling system of the GPU (i.e ASUS STRIX, Gigabyte WindForce, etc...)?
4. If you're unsure Seasonic brand is a guaranteed bet every time. And your non-OC system would only draw on average 300W with the 1070 so you don't really need a 700W PSU, just a good quality ~500W one like the one that I listed. If you want an even better quality one then consider the EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W or the Corsair RM550x both are great quality, fully modular PSU and are 80+Gold certified. Unless you want to move to i7 non-OC (your B85 doesn't support overclocking of k series i5/i7)+GTX1080 in which case get the 620W S12II or 650W version of the EVGA/Corsair.
5> The Gigabyte GTX 1070 Xtreme Gaming is among the highest clocked 1070 around, and given what I already said at <1>, you are probably better of picking a cheaper 1070 like the EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC Gaming ACX 3.0 (which is shorter as well) and then either keep the cost difference in your pocket spend those on extra RAM or a bigger SSD.

Frankly speaking, for your screen 1920x1080@60Hz, a GTX1060 would be the best fit. A GTX1070 is mainly for 1080p@144hz for which your 4460 would cause FPS to fluctuate down anyway.
 

MentalistBS

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First of all, thank you FD2Raptor and everyone else for your help and support.

That being said, i carefully read what you, FD2Raptor, wrote and i would like to ask you which GTX1060 manufacturer should i pick? Some of my friends recommended the Gigabyte, as it has less heat, others recommended MSI, as it has better performance, so i'm a little bit confused here.

About the cooling thingy, my case is ( Cooler Master K281) and i've already attached another fan in it beside the already 2 existing ones, but some people tell me that due to the high temperature, here in Egypt, i should get a liquid cooling system inside my case. So my question is, should i get that liquid cooling thingy? specially with the GTX1060 being installed ? or will it be fine, knowing that i have had that GTX 660 for 2 years and i had 0 problems?

Last question is about the SSD, i saw online that a lot of people recommend getting Samsung EVO series than anything else, so what are your thoughts about that, and do you have a good SSD for me ( Beside the one you sent before, the Sandisk) ?

Once again, thank you so much for your help, i really appreciate it.

Kind regards,
Menta
 

FD2Raptor

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For the GTX 1060, the MSI Gaming X is outright better than the Gigabyte G1 Gaming in temperature and minor advantage in term of performance; both MSI and Gigabyte have multiple versions of the GTX1060 so this comment is specifics to the comparison of these 2 top-of-the-line models from either manufacturers only (well, Gigabyte true top-of-the-line is the Xtreme Gaming series, but I don't think they've announced a GTX1060 Xtreme). Your K281 has room for graphic card of up to 315mm in length; both the above mentioned GTX1060s are around 277mm so they'll fit inside the case with some room to spare.

The GTX660 is specified as a 140W card; the GTX 1060 is specified as a 120W card. You're not going to suddenly see a lot more heat than what your current card is putting out. That being said, you may want to get some utilities like MSI Afterburner (it'll work with cards from other manufacturers) and run it to see how hot your current card is getting while idling (nothing else but Windows running) and during heavy load in gaming.

In most case, liquid cooling for GPU only matter if you already have a custom-loop liquid cooling system (i.e not one of those closed-loop all-in-one like say... the CoolerMaster MasterLiquid Pro 240 that was reviewed recently right here on toms) otherwise, it's a waste of time. And to end that line of thought, your K281 does not support water cooling.

In regards to SSD, the Samsung 850 Evo is often recommended for its top-of-the-line performance and 5 years warranty. Your local retailers may not honor the warranty part (if they can get away with it, a local retailer may offer you 3 years only) which could very well affect whether you actually want to go with a Samsung SSD or not.

Out of my personal experience, 1x Samsung not use as OS drive died after a period of being on life-support so I was able to get some data out of it (albeit with some corruption); 2xSamsung drive as OS drive and they both died without any warning whatsoever, one of them died while running scan disc on the failing Samsung mentioned above; 1x Samsung still working with no sign of issue but given my prior experience I'm not going to say that its safety is a sure bet.
So, just from my own personal experience... I do not trust a Samsung drive to be my OS drive, although there are a lot of people whose experience with Samsung are much more positive than mine so I'm not going to tell you to avoid using a Samsung drive at all cost.

With regards to the other SSD manufacturers:
Sandisk is the main competitor with Samsung in regards to speed and from people's experience, their SSDs have solid reliability records. (given my personal past experience, I'd prefer Sandisk over Samsung if prices are similar)
Plextor drives while not as speedy as either Sandisk or Samsung, are considered as very reliable (meaning good value if cost similar or less than Samsung or Sandisk).
After those 2, there are Intel (up to the 535 only, the 540 isn't of good value unless it's significantly cheaper than the other SSDs because it's an outlier for Intel SSD), Transcend (SSD370/370S, low cost for solid mid-range performance and I've had good experience with Transcend flash product), Adata (the SP550 is a top value recommendation for performance/price, meaning if it's available for significantly less than the Sandisk/Samsung then it's a good buy).
Crucial/Micron are a mixed bag of good and dud, and OCZ are mostly dud.

These are just very general thoughts because I have no idea what SSD is available at what price where you are; for example where I am, a Transcend 370S 512GB is $50 less than the equivalent Samsung 850 EVO whereas in N.A they're about the same.
 
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