GTX 1070 Gsync 1440p@60Hz or 144Hz?

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This thread loosely fits in either the graphics card or display sub forums, however I thought this one would be a bit more active.

I'm in the market to buy a GTX 1070, probably going to get the MSI Gaming X version, because it's one of the only air cooled 1070's I've seen people push and for the most part keep it at a stable 2Ghz clock speed, the others seem to throttle pretty hard because they can't seem to cool so good.
The STRIX OC is the same price as the Gaming X, I'd assume you could do the same having three fans and the bigger everything, but I've not seen it done yet so yeah, going to bank on what I've seen, I describe that to you in the hopes someone can give me some stats on what air cooled 1070's actually cool the best to keep ~2000Mhz

Anyway what this threads actually about:
Would a 60Hz monitor be more suited for a GTX 1070 at 1440p rather than 144Hz?
Reason being the card is rated to hit 70FPS through to 90FPS in current AAA titles and likely to drop as new games come out.
Of course it'd be a no brainer if I were gunning for 1080p, because the card would easily smash out those frames at that res, but having trouble deciding whether seeing those extra 20 frames in single player games will really affect my experience.

Things to keep in mind:
The price different between a 1440p G-sync 60Hz and 144Hz monitor here is ~$230

Would it be worth spending the extra dollars even though I'll only be seeing 10-20 frames extra over the 60Hz? Do you notice those frames?

I don't use the PC for competitive gaming, with the exception being ArmA 3, where I rarely touch PvP modes.
I keep strictly to the Ps4 for first person shooters so I know it's a level playing field, I would like to use the PC for RPG/Single player and games I'd like to mod such as GTA V, The Witcher 3 and PvE ArmA 3 etc.

Cheers for the help, sorry for such a frequent question yet again, I must have read through atleast 10 threads and they're all talking about yes yes yes, 144Hz for the extra FPS in online shooter games but no ones really laying what's more suited for 1440p single player gaming, whether it's worth it.


 

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So I briefly looked more into these monitors, something I looked past:
- The 144Hz monitor: ACER Predator XB270HU
$899
IPS
27in
WQHD 2560 x 1440 native res

The 60Hz: Acer XB280HK
$685
TN
28in
3840 x 2160 (4k) Res, previously thought it was 1440p (typed in 1440p 60hz and this popped up so I assumed without reading through)

Both are similar otherwise, gsync, 1ms response time etc

Some questions:
Am I going to run into an issue running a 4K native monitor at 1440p always, because lord knows the 1070 won't run 4K?
Remembering I'm new to these high end resolutions and gaming gear, forgive me for not knowing.

Not sure why there would be, but in case if there's complicated issue that exists and I don't know about, any performance hit running 1440p on a 4K native pixel monitor instead of 1440p on a 1440p native monitor?

And finally
The consensus seems to be IPS comes out on top, I'll be googling this but in case you want to chuck your two cents worth on this in, TN vs IPS, any noticeable difference?
 
I have an IPS monitor for photography and there's a huge difference when compared to TN. IPS has far punchier colours and wider viewing angles, although the latter isn't really an issue for desktop PC users. Typically, IPS monitors have slower response times but that's not an issue in your case.

Something worth remembering is that gaming benchmarks are always taken at ultra settings, usually with some degree of AA applied. If you lowered the settings to high and disabled AA, there's a good chance that a GTX 1070 could hit 100 fps. That said, I don't see much point in having that high a frame rate for games that aren't an FPS. Some games are also arbitrarily locked to a sub-144 frame rate by the developers and no amount of tweaking is going to change that.
 

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Cheers for the replies.
I've been reading into 4K native monitors doing 1440p, and it seems it doesn't scale right for 1440p, but can perfectly scale to 1080p.

Seems my only choice is the $899 monitor for 1440p AND G Sync, there's no cheaper 1440p/Gsync/60hz monitors on the market. (Plenty without Gsync, and I wish I could let that go but it seems to infinitely improve the experience, atleast so people say, especially when a game dips sub 60/50FPS, which the games I play will do)

Guess it's an investment that'll pay off for years I suppose. Just have to remember that when I click "checkout" and kiss goodbye to $3000, I was really keen to save $215, bring the price down a little seeing as 144hz doesn't affect me.
 

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I know, I wouldn't really think so either ☹️
Unfortunately while it's fairly "new" and not too common, companies will milk the most money from it. Hopefully when 1440p 144hz and Gsync becomes the norm, prices will drop.

There's so much differing opinion, of the loads of threads I've read some people say "world of difference will never go back" "infinitely improves immersiveness by ruling out stutter and tearing"
And others say "not worth it" and "won't make a difference at 144hz", which is then counter acted by a follow up "I notice gsync still at 144hz"

Ugh
It's really hard to know, it really is. It's hard to get a good idea when both sides have equal amount of argument.

ONE THING I DIDNT THINK OF
Because I'm pretty keen to get the price down, and I've never really seen 1440p gaming coming from console and my gaming laptop, I could trade off for a 1080p monitor, 144hz Gsync on the cheap and downscale from 4K, apparently that provides a good image, better than native 1080p
See: pic on LTT, 4K down sampled on to a 1080p display.
http://imgur.com/blx5fst
Probably taking it with a little grain of salt, being from a YouTube video, not sure if they've touched it up in editing to further enhance their argument for it.

Anyway. This might be an option, anyone done this? Is it legit/got all the benefits no downsides except for sacrificing a little FPS?
 
The human eye is a funny thing. Some people more easily notice things than other, which is why the seeing over 60 fps debate always gets very heated. Some can legitimately see over 60 dos, and some legitimately can't. Or they can only see in a side by side comparison. Same with G-sync here I believe. If you know of any stores that sell monitors that have ones with g-sync and without, I'd go there and do a direct comparison for yourself and see if you notice anything.
 
+PgUpPgDown Hello. Personally I'm already spoiled with IPS displays. The only TN display that I'd consider in the year 2016 is the new 1080p 180 and 240 Hz displays that Acer should be releasing sometime this year. I have no idea what the prices will be.

I own:

Acer Predator XB271HU: Newer 165 Hz version of the XB270HU, but essentially the same price. Best thing about this model is the greatly improved look of the bezel; they replaced the child-like glossy finish with a good looking matte finish.

Dell UltraSharp U3415W: This is a 3440 x 1440 (1440p widescreen) @ 60 Hz. It was the same price as the Acer Predator. Even though it's only 60 Hz, I absolutely love the wide screen aspect ratio, especially for games like GTA V and Witcher 3. I opted for 60 Hz because the only higher refresh I could find was the Acer Predator X34, which was $1,350 at the time; currently it's priced at $1,200. It's a 3440 x 1440 g-sync display overclockable to 100 Hz.

Dell UltraSharp U2412M: 1920 x 1200 @ 60 Hz IPS display. I've own this display for years and absolutely love it. It has a fantastic IPS image, and the best OSD I've ever experience till this day. To be completely honest, the bezel would be consider thick by today's standards, but I still like it.

Summary (aka My point): I've experienced a few different resolutions. Do I notice a difference between 60 Hz and 144+ Hz? Yes. What I would do in your situation: Buy the 1440p 60 Hz IPS display and put aside the money saved for a future PC upgrade. When you receive the monitor in the mail, keep everything. Keep the box, packaging materials, plastic bags, even the twist ties. If you don't enjoy the experience within that month, return it. If you have a change-of-heart after that month, then sell the display on Craigslist or Ebay. I sell PC components all the time. I mentioned my 3440 x 1440p display because I honestly would rather have a wide screen 60 Hz display than a normal 1440p 144+ Hz display. Below is the video that inspired me to get a wide screen, and below that is a screen shot(s) from my wide screen.

* This is the video that inspired me to purchase my 3440 x 1440 display:
LG 34UM95-P 21:9 3440*1440 BF4

https://youtu.be/FoFDG8lyoog

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I have a 980 TI (which roughly equals the GTX 1070, plus or minus depending on respective overclocks) and both an ASUS ROG Swift and a BenQ 60hz monitor, both 1440p; while the BenQ definitely has better colors, it was only about ~$150 cheaper (I got the ROG for $550 on Amazon, iirc), and at 1440p I've been able to play most games at 100+ FPS to take advantage of the G-Sync. I'd give a solid thumbs up for the ROG, if you can get it at the right price.

However, if you're not going for twitch shooters a la CS:GO or Rainbow Six: Siege, the added monitor refresh probably won't be of great benefit. YMMV.
 

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Alright: so here are my ACTUAL options, given current stock availability etc.

XB270HU 1440p 144hz Gsync IPS

OR

XB270H-G 1080p 144Hz Gsync TN (AOC 1080p 144Hz Gsync monitor is slightly cheaper but out of stock)

OR

XB270HK 4K 60Hz Gsync (I previously thought this was a 1440p monitor but I read it wrong)

Now... I'm having trouble clicking 'checkout' when the 1440p monitor brings my total to over 3 thousand dollarydoos...

The price different between the 1440p and 1080p are roughly about $330

4K isn't really an option, because I'd need to spend the money I save on a GTX 1080 to drive it. Can't scale to 1440p (and look good) on a 4K monitor and if I scale to 1080p on the 4K monitor, well I might as well have just bought the 144hz 1080p monitor.

Mmmmmm opinions?..
Pros: $330 saved
Cons: TN, 1080p
 

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Hahaha really wish I could answer that, truth is I'm not real sure. Last time I dropped $3000 in a single purchase was for a car.

Answering this question will help me decide for sure: (in your experience in owning previous GPUs and opinion) will the GTX 1070 still be able to hit up to 90FPS (like it does currently in GTA V, TW3 and abit better in BF1 beta) in the coming years/future titles?

I know that's a hard question to answer, not being the actual game devs, but I'm hoping you guys have gone through several generations or GPUs and gaming and experienced the pattern of how long a GPU rated at the "sweet spot" for (insert fairly new resolution for the time) lasts for.

If yeah, I really could see it as an investment and probably stomach it if the GTX 1070 will keep those frames in 1440p in the coming years.
If most likely not, I'd probably lean more towards 1080p, because while image quality doesn't actually look bad, it'll still provide that safety net of performing really well for years and years and years in AAA super demanding titles, kind of like how a GTX (x)70 will still perform really well at 720p now.
 
It is a hard question to answer notably because we're moving from DX11 to DX12, with Vulcan and OpenGL also in there. And we don't know if others will follow and how they will impact older cards. I'll say you will get a good 2-3 years wight he 1070 being able to play 95% of games at 90 fps with super high settings. After that, 90 fps could still be attained, but might require the turning down of some textures. It's really hard to predict how the industry will move. Nobody expected what Vulkan what do to AMD GPUs. OpenGL is still kind of out there. And now we're moving to DX12.
 

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