Overheating, what types of fans or coolers should i consider investing in?

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Recently upgraded my Pc from:
I5 4670 cpu.
MSI H81m e33 mb.
Powercolour HD 7870 2GB gpu.
Powercool X-Viper 650W psu.
16GB Ram.

To:
I5 4670 cpu. (I plan on changing this some time in the future)
MSI Z97-5 mb.
MSI R9 390 8GB gpu.
XFX Xtr 850W psu.
32GB Ram.

My Case is the CiT Vantage:
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/cit-vantage-black-mid-tower-gaming-case-with-black-interior-3-led-fans-1xblack-fan-card-reader-no-ps (only 3 led fans and my cpu fan) don't know where this 4th fan is maybe I don't have it.

I just finished playing on one of the newer total war games, for those who know of them they can be very hard hitting on the system at full specs, I never used to have any problems with overheating with my previous components whilst doing anything even gaming on middle - high specs. Obviously the new parts are higher spec and have higher work rates, so will have a bigger power consumption and generate more heat, but I was surprised at how hot the side of the case was, I didn't check the internal sensor but I could hazard a guess that it was double or 3 times standard temp.

What would everyone recommend is a good way of helping keep the temperature down?
I don't know if I could buy more powerful fans? There is enough space to add a rear fan, or could I swap out my older ones for better models?
Or is water cooling a good idea?
My case is ATX, all my parts fit with a decent amount of space remaining, its about 3/5 full with space for wiring and the psu fan to do its job. I will try and add a picture.(not sure how)
 
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"The Front panel is made from mesh steel, for high end cooling." I know this isn't exactly on topic, but I found it on the page you linked and it just screams Entry Level. I think that the cheap look of the case just ruins the fact that it's a fairly capable machine. I would upgrade the case and get one with a better cooling system.

Budget?
 
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^ Looks like old hands think alike. ;)

First off, check the temperatures, don't rely on how hot it feels, even my full liquid cooled case can feel warm, despite the near frigid temperatures.
If the temps are high you're best option would be to get a better cooled case, that Vantage would be fine for many builds but it lacks enough exhaust fans and the top mounted PSU is going to draw a lot of hot air off that big R9 390, not a good idea given that PSU isn't a top quality part.
Don't despair! A decent case won't be hugely expensive!
And there's little need to swap out that i5, it's a super capable gaming part.
 
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I don't really have a budget, id like to get a good value for money case but if I find one that does the job I don't mind spending a little extra if its going to do everything I need and be durable. That's if I do get a new case.
I will check the temp next time I know the case is really hot, as you say it might just be dispersing the heat, and my parts might be fine, I do feel like its the graphics card that is heating up the side of the case though.
 
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Good plan, just bear in mind the R9 390 is capable of running over 80C safely, so don't panic if it seems to be running hot, your main concerns should be the CPU and motherboard temperatures.
As for possible replacement cases, I do have a soft spot for the Corsair Carbide Spec 01/03 but as general guidelines: Dual front 120 or 140mm for intake, dual top 120 or 140mm for additional exhaust and with a bottom mounted power supply, bigger fans are better if you want a quiet system and most cheap cases come with less than stellar quality parts preinstalled. If you live in the UK, expect to pay between 40 and 60 Pounds.
 
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sounds interesting I might have a look in at them all, when I just bought all this I think 40 - 60 is nothing lol
 
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Its saying on the msi app that its on 50oC not sure if it was hitting 80 while I was playing but there is a marker for it on the graph next to temp and fan controls, don't really know how to work all the msi apps. the cpu is definitely hitting 60 degrees and maybe 80 before when I was on the other game so maybe I should invest in water cooling?
 
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Ill check the bios in a little while, I think between the gcard and the cpu its definitely getting quite hot in there, so maybe I need a larger case with good ventilation maybe some better fans
 
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Can you recommend any 120mm rear exhaust fans that I could maybe try, I probably will have to get a larger case but I want to start small for now

 
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Well I have checked my bios for the cpu temps etc, its safe to say that my cpu is ok being kept at an average 50, it is definitely my graphics card heating up quite abit, and because my atx size case is a snug fit, its heating up the metal frame and side panel pretty nicely.

Kind of concerned that my wires might be a little bit too close to the heat of the case, the graphics card external wire case is touching the metal case and frame in places, so I might just get a new case with more room to prevent any wire damage or melting.
It could be that my 3 fans that came with this case are just crap and don't help disperse the heat, but I might really consider watercooling.

Other than that though, should I be worried about the graphics card? or is it robust enough to cope, and is it usual for it to become really hot? my old one was never this hot
 
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I had just finished gaming and decided to restart pc check the bios start up menu, to see what temp the cpu and motherboard were at, it showed me CPU 53 degrees C, and the motherboard 43 o C Im pretty sure that's the average temp im getting even at idle, from what I have seen when I first put it together. ( I have checked this against the MSI Command Centre) it confirms 50 o C average temp at idle.

The best thing is! I went on MSI Afterburner and ran a Kombustor test, so it bumped the gpu usage up to 100% and I watched the temp climb from an idle 55 o C with no fan output, to 93 o C and pumping out hot air tryin to cool its self down fan was working almost at max, over the course of a 5 minute test, I then lowered it back to 0% for another 5 mins and the temp fell back down to 63 o C. I have taken screen shots but not sure how to upload. This explains where the heat is coming from!

I have seen a few other people posted about how hot their R9 390 was getting, just don't know if its safe or not. my case is definitely a hindrance for the air circulation, I noticed the R9s fan air out flow is directly into my side panel and my side panel fans are flowing in opposing directions so that is really not good. I imagine a better case and fans and air flow system is needed but my main concern is, is my R9 functioning ok?
 
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I just checked this on the msi command centre right now going through them all one by one, and that is what its showing, but I have been on the pc for ages, but I reckon my average is 40-50, is it possible I need to put a better amount of cooler Gel in between the processor and fan? or something?
 
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If the CPU cooler is correctly attached there's no real need to mess with the thermal paste, the high temperatures look to be caused by an unusually high idle load, it should clock back to <>800MHz at idle.
First, use Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del) and check the system stats, look for any running processes that are using a lot of CPU time.
If there's something that IS using a lot of CPU time it could just be a nasty little bug, plenty of them are pretty harmless and like to hide in the various Temp folders, easiest way to clean them out is to download and use Ccleaner, be aware a lot of sites host this, ONLY download directly from the Piriform site.
It could also be either a malware or virus infection, in either case you'll need to sweep for both using suitable software.
 
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I wiped the pc after building it and did a fresh install of windows and my drivers only 2 days ago. I did checked the task manager, noticed the only thing using any kind of cpu power was a program, which i googled and found to be similar to other people, that they say is the windows automatic update program. Dont know if its got a bug with its programming or what, but as im not that computer smart i dont know if its credible to blame it as the problem. I will atempt to turn it off and see what happens
 
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Windows installs security patches through Windows Update. Please do not turn off Windows Update.

This is a hardware issue. It will not be solved by simply changing software behavior.
 
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I set it to notify me only not auto install but its still the same full clock all day long with a 25% usage, but not much happening, changed my case made a slight difference to overall pc temp but processor is still all out, all day
 
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So bought new case http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mid-tower/haf-912-plus/ got 2 NF S12A flx 120mm exaust fans, seems to have helped my temp control a little bit more, I think my processor is over performing regularly at full clock which is why my idle MB and cpu is at around 55-60 deg all the time
 
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