Overclocking beginner question

arunrathee110

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So... I have i5 6600k, Z170 Pro gaming, Hyper 212x.
I want to overclock. And I am a complete newbie at it. Watched some videos. As far as I understood, I have to keep voltage below 1.3v, and cool temperatures.
I am looking to overclock my processor to 4.4GHz

So I am looking for some tips, advice, suggestions.
I will overclock it, limit the voltage to 1.3 or bit less. And then run tests to see if everything is working stable.
Also I wanted to ask what software I need to run tests, and for how many hours should those tests run ?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Skylake can handle voltages up to like 1.4ish. The max for me would be 1.35v. Thats kinda hypocritical because i run my haswell chip at 1.432v but oh well.

So to start overclocking you will need Hwmonitor, OCCT, XTU, and CPU Z. Once you have those installed you can start overclocking.

Go into the bios and set the core voltage to manual and set 1.0v, next set the multiplier to 35x
Now boot into windows and stress test in XTU for 5 minutes. If it passes, go into the bios and set the multiplier to 36x. If it fails, add 0.025v to the core.

Now boot into windows with 36x and stress test again. Make sure to keep your temps under 75c max. I try to keep mine under 70 but im also on a closed loop.

As long as you pass stress tests and your...
The best approach is to leave your voltage alone and see how far you can push your multiplier before it becomes unstable. Don't add voltage until you need to. Stress test with a variety of loads. If you use Prime 95, use version 26.6, anything newer uses AVX which will heat your CPU beyond anything reasonable. It will also cause Vcore to be raised (the reason it heats up so much) if voltage control is on anything but manual. I would also look at a stress test program called RealBench made by ASUS, it uses a few realworld workloads to stress test with. Another excellent stress test is gaming. For whatever reason, the Battlefield series seems to seek out instability.

Once you've determined your latest settings are stable, raise you multiplier and stress test again. Once you reach a point that you are not stable, then add voltage and stress test again.

The odd thing about Skylake is it seems to use more voltage than the previous generation (Haswell / Devil's Canyon) on Auto voltage. I've built a couple 6600K systems that have had over 1.3V at default. I thought this was a mistake, but after referencing some Skylake reviews, it appears this is common. In both cases, I was able to lower Vcore substantially at stock speeds without affecting stability. So it's likely a combination of Intel using a higher VID table and motherboards setting Vcore conservatively (in this case higher than VID) to guarantee stability.

Also when you are overclocking the core, you should have your RAM settings at Auto rather than a XMP profile. This will ensure you find your maximum stable overclock without possibly hitting an IMC barrier.

Lastly don't rush it. Trying to fast track overclocking can result in a system that uses too much voltage to be stable, or an unstable system, either of which you don't want.
 

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Skylake can handle voltages up to like 1.4ish. The max for me would be 1.35v. Thats kinda hypocritical because i run my haswell chip at 1.432v but oh well.

So to start overclocking you will need Hwmonitor, OCCT, XTU, and CPU Z. Once you have those installed you can start overclocking.

Go into the bios and set the core voltage to manual and set 1.0v, next set the multiplier to 35x
Now boot into windows and stress test in XTU for 5 minutes. If it passes, go into the bios and set the multiplier to 36x. If it fails, add 0.025v to the core.

Now boot into windows with 36x and stress test again. Make sure to keep your temps under 75c max. I try to keep mine under 70 but im also on a closed loop.

As long as you pass stress tests and your temps are alright, keep upping the multiplier. Once the system is unstable, add 0.025v to the core until stable again.

Rinse and repeat until you have your desired/ max overclock. Once you are at your desired/max, go into OCCT and stress test infinite for about 15-30 minutes and watch your temps because OCCT puts out alot of heat. If it passes OCCT then you are good. If it doesnt. Add voltage to make it stable and test again if your temps allow.


Hope that Helps. Cant wait to see your results!
 
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arunrathee110

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^^ Okay, So I have overclocked it to 4.4 GHz. I did it right after I made this thread.

CPUz show core voltage at 1.296V, and sometimes it spikes to 1.312V and goes back to constant 1.296V (no tests running yet. EDIT : tests running, same result). DRAM frequency is shown as 1071 MHz.. more or less.
Now I really don't really understand much of technical stuff about overclocking. And since my card is like 2 days old. I am pretty satisfied to stay at 4.4 GHz for now. I am not looking to push it, but happy with stable over clocking.

So I guess I understand what softwares I need to start the tests. But can you tell me that which software is needed to monitor what specific thing ?
I have MSI afterburner, Prime95 26.6v, CPUz installed. Will download OCCT now.

I mean to ask that what measures should I monitor to see if everything is running stable during the test ? I guess temperatures ? And what else ?


EDIT : I have started 'Blend test' of Prime95. I will run tests on OCCT later, since Prime95 was at ready, I went with it.
Some results from MSI afterburner show as
CPU temp : max = 75, current = 72 more or less.
CPU usage = 100%
RAM usage : max = 3621. Current = 3522 more or less.

CPUz stats : Core speed = 4422 MHz more or less
Bus speed = 100.39 MHz more or less (If it matters anyway)
Core voltage same as I stated above.

I have NO idea what else measures should I monitor and tell you guys, so please let me know.
 

arunrathee110

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I was expecting an answer like "Switch off the PC now or it will die !!!". Good to know that this looks good.

Although temps have gone to 79 max. I live in India, so maybe environmental temperatures having some effect ? Also my cabinet is CM K281, which I guess, is not a good one. I will upgrade it asap.

Anyway, some questions.... If tests are all good, then should I keep it overclocked 24/7 ? Or tone it down while I am not gaming ?
And... I have core voltage at auto right now. Since I have seen it go 1.31V at max for now. Should I put a limit to core voltage in BIOS settings ? Like on 1.32V ?
 

arunrathee110

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Okay, thanks for all the help. I hope it will keep running smoothly now. Thanks for the tips and everything.
Good day.
 


Run Prime 95 with Small FFTs, this will stress the CPU the most. Blended mixes in the use of lots of RAM which results in less load on the CPU. This could result in you assuming your system is stable when in actual fact it isn't.

As for monitoring software there are some good ones out there. I am a fan of HWInfo64, however it gives information overload and there is a bit of a learning curve to get the most of it. HWMonitor is also very good and a little less complex as is Speccy. RealTemp is a great temp monitoring program if you are only interested in CPU temps.

As for temps, you are more interested in Core temps than you are with Package temps. Core temps will read higher than Package temps and they respond quicker to load changes.

Did you raise your Vcore up to that voltage to get stable, or is that still on Auto? If it's still on Auto, I would consider using either Adaptive or Offset voltage control (depends on the motherboard) and use a negative offset and try to lower your voltage. You may find that you can lower your voltage which will have a substantial affect you your temps. However if you had to raise your voltage to get stability, then disregard this.
 

arunrathee110

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I actually did like 11 hour test on the setting I found stable after some tweaks.
At very first I kept vcore at auto, which was a mistake, but luckily voltage never jumped more than 1.31v, that I know of.

Anyway. I tried 4.4GHz at 1.24v (one core failed), later at 1.26v (some error occured), now the limit is around 1.27 or maybe 1.28 I guess, which seems to be working well.
I ran Prime95 test (forgot which test I ran) for 11 hours, max temp went to 81 of 1 core. And max vcore went to 1.32v.

I guess it should be stable ?

Anyway, the vcore is not at adaptive or offset. So it takes around 1.26-8v constantly. Temps while gaming stay below 70c.

I wanted to ask if that much voltage is safe to feed all the time when my PC is on ? I have heard that setting voltage at adaptive or offset would lower the voltage at low-load times (as you mentioned).
But I got no idea how to do that. I can look up some videos I guess. But is it worth it ? Or 1.26-8v constantly is okay ?
 

arunrathee110

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Thanks, good to know that it is fine overclock. I guess I am happy with it. Next step to buy better cabinet for better air flow.
Thanks to both of you for your help.
Have a good day.
 
To use Adaptive or Offset, look at page 2-25 of your motherboard manual. I will explain the difference between Offset and Adaptive as they are very similar. Your CPU has a VID table which tells the motherboard what voltage it needs to be stable under different thresholds of loading. Obviously while idle, the voltage is low and while fully loaded the voltage is high. There are values in between as well.

So Offset adds or subtracts the value entered in the Offset Voltage from the VID table over the entire range. This can be troublesome if you are subtracting voltage from the VID table if the offset value is too big. It may work well at the high end, but the voltage maybe too low when idle which could cause BSOD's, program crashes etc. So essentially if you are undervolting it could cause stability issues. On the other hand if you have a substantial overclock and you are adding in a lot of voltage to the VID, they you could be unnecessarily adding too much voltage when idle. While this won't cause any issues, you use more power than necessary and may make the CPU warmer at idle than necessary. This is essentially what happens when you use Static mode for 24 / 7 usage. Well except its worse in Static Mode than it is in Offset Mode.

Now Adaptive is similar to Offset, you even use the same place to enter the offset voltage and change the offset sign. Where it differs though is that it doesn't apply the offset to the entire VID range, only above a certain loading point. So at idle the CPU is still getting the voltage dictated by the VID, but it starts to add in the offset once it reaches a certain loading threshold.

Another thing to consider is the firmware that the manufacturer provides as this can have an impact on how much voltage a CPU is supplied. Most manufacturers add in their own positive offset to the VID table when in Auto. They do this to "guarantee" stability and that the system will POST. How aggressive the manufacturer is determines how warm the CPU will get when the voltage is set to Auto. I've come across Skylake CPU's in excess of 1.3V at stock (on the Z170-A motherboard from ASUS) which is quite a lot. In these cases I was able to run a negative .1V or better offset which lowered overall temps dramatically.

Since you have a starting point for stability for your overclock, most of the work is already done. I in fact use Manual or Static to dial in my Vcore. Then I use Adaptive for 24/7 usage. So for instance you have 1.27V -1.28V set for a Static Vcore, so you know that you are likely going to have to add in voltage so you would start by putting a + sign in the Offset Mode Sign. Then you would leave the offset at it's lowest value of .001V and boot up. Once in the desktop look at whatever software you use to monitor temps and voltages and look at your Vcore, then launch Prime 95 Small FFT's (make sure you are using 26.6 and nothing newer) and see where your Vcore is. Hopefully the voltage is enough to keep it from spontaneously rebooting. Note the voltage you see and subtract it from 1.28V, this is the offset you need. Stop Prime 95 (hopefully the system didn't crash in that short time) and go back into the BIOS and enter the voltage you arrived at above in to the Offset Voltage. Then reboot and test again. If you did everything right, at idle you should see something in the neighborhood of .7 - .9V and at load (Prime 95 Small FFT's) you should see 1.27 - 1.28V. If you overshot the target load Vcore than you will need to lower the value in the Offset Voltage, if you undershot, you will need to add to the Offset Voltage. Once you've dialed Vcore in, retest for stability.

This might sound complicated, but it's not really. Just a little math and a couple of reboots. The important thing is that you end up with the voltage you need at load, no more or no less, while keeping your idle voltage low. A lot of people don't care what their idle voltage is (I used to be one of them), consider that your computer is likely going to be idling 60% or more of the time it's on, why put out that heat and waste that power when you don't need to.
 

arunrathee110

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True, adaptive/offset is more useful than manual. It does sound complicated, but I will give it a try.

Although I have reset my overclocking, due to bad PSU. There were some high (or maybe low ?) voltage shutdowns (anti surge...thing), even though I had my manual voltage set on very safe levels. My current PSU is of lowest Tier. And old.

I have better PSU (RM750x) ready to be installed. So I will try it after I get it installed. I will ask you if any problem arises.
Thanks again.
 

arunrathee110

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Okay, so I might be facing some problems right now.

As you already know, right now I have reset the overclocking back to auto, and voltage to very safe measures (not setting auto, out of fear of what might happen.. etc).

So, my first problem -
When i reset the overclocking back to normal. Instead of going to it's default speed - 3.4 GHz, now.... it stays around 3.9 GHz.
I guess it must be it's turbo boost ?? Or something like that ?

Also, with my old PSU, it used to take around stable voltage of 1.18-1.2v on 3.9 GHz (again, I have set it on auto, not overclocked by me).

Today I got my new PSU installed. Now, the core speed is fluctuating in between 3.5 GHz to 3.9 GHz.
AND, the core voltage is showing way too less. Core voltage is fluctuating a lot, so I cannot tell you around what it is now. But I can tell you some readings - 0.032v, 0.16, 0.3, 0.6, 0.09, 0.5...... It is just going up and down in this range, barely goes to 1.2v and then goes back to these low ratings.

So I am confused, What's happening ?
My new PSU is RM750x.

Also Since the first time I overclocked my cpu, I have got 3-4 messages of 'overclocking failed' on startup, which would tell me to change the overclock settings, from which I would just exit out of, and my PC would normally start up. Usually i credited it to my stupid old PSU, and discredited it. Specially because my cpu is not overclocked, but is set on auto, only voltage is set on 1.195v, just for safe measures.
But, Even today after installing my new PSU. I gave it a test run, everything ran cool, Even started it to desktop screen. Then I brought CPU back home, plugged my setup in, started, and it showed 'overclocking failed'.
So yeah, I need some insight on what's going on with it. If you can tell me something. I am guessing my manual voltage limit that I have set was the reason of 'overclocking failed' messages on startup ?

UPDATE : I restarted my PC, set the core voltage to 1.2v (just for peace of my mind). And then started the PC, now the core voltage shows stable around 1.2v, at time it goes to 1.216v and back to 1.2v, and core speed is also a lot stable now, around 3.8 - 3.9 GHz
 
First off, an i5 6600K has base clock of 3.5GHz and a boost clock of 3.9GHz. What you are seeing is normal. Depending on what your motherboard defaults to will determine the clock under load. Intel has tweaked Speedstep with differing clock speeds depending on how many cores are used. So lets say you have loading on 1 - 2 cores, then Speedstep will use 3.9GHz. Now three cores might be 3.7GHz, and 4 cores will be 3.5GHz. Again this is dependent on the motherboard. I've seen a few motherboards which default to "Sync all Cores" which will utilize the boost clock (3.9GHz in your case) regardless of how many cores are loaded.

As for Vcore, you expect it to fluctuate with the load. It should go very low when idle, though not as low as you are seeing in whatever software you are using. I suspect that its an error. My son's Z87 Gryphon sometimes shows 0V at idle. This is obviously either an issue with the software we are using (HWInfo) or maybe the BIOS. Either way rest assured your CPU is getting enough voltage at idle, otherwise you would be getting BSOD's or spontaneous reboots or the computer would simply shut off.

As for the "overclocked failed" message, I've seen this on a few ASUS motherboards. Obviously I've seen it while overclocking, but I've also seen it many times with everything set to Auto. I suggest seeing if there is an updated BIOS for your board. I've heard of this in some cases with certain power supplies. I wouldn't be too concerned about this, it's more of an annoyance than an actual problem. As long as your computer is running stably, there is nothing to be concerned about.

Now as to overclocking, I would try your overclock with Vcore set to Manual or Static (whatever your motherboards term is for it) and the voltage and multiplier you were using before and stress test it. This will verify that nothing has changed as far as stability. After you are convinced that you are stable, then try following my previous instructions on how to set up Adaptive.
 

arunrathee110

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Thanks for explaining.
Okay, got it. Yeah, there is an update for my BIOS that I haven't installed. So i can try that. I will read what it fixes and will try to install it. And then manual voltage with overclocking and tests, and then adaptive one. I will let you know if any problem comes up.