Not trying too troll, but why does this site seem to be so anti AMD?

Cole_9

Commendable
Jun 4, 2016
248
0
1,760
I mean really. I don't know why a lot of people here seem to like to crap on AMD so much. Yes there architectures are four years old but that does not mean people should not buy them. I just looked up the benchmarks for a 2013 FX 9000 series chip, and compared them with the new Skylake core i5 processor and wow the sky like processor came out on top, the FX series in both multicore and single core performance were so close to the core i5 that most mainstream users probably wouldn't even notice it. Yes it does have eight Cores compared to intel's four cores, but I don't care about that so long as said processor performs and performed well compared to its price point.
 
Solution
If someone is restricted by budget then they're restricted by budget. That's fine, many people have different budgets to work with. If we could all afford top of the line there would be no reason for multiple products. It depends on the task at hand. If someone is looking at gaming, most games perform just as well on an i3 than an fx 8350 and the i3 is cheaper - without even considering skylake. If someone isn't gaming and instead video encoding then the fx 8350 might be a fine budget choice, a bit better than the i3 and around the same as a slightly more expensive i5 so in that case it makes sense.

If someone were considering the 9590 (since fx 9000 cpu's were mentioned) they would be better off going with intel. The 9590 requires a...

darky26

Reputable
Jan 30, 2016
98
0
4,660


I don't believe this site is anti AMD. Currently Intel is the better choice and people are just calling it as it is. I really want AMD to do well with Zen as it has really become one sided over the years and Intel could surely use some competition. Fingers crossed!!
 
The issue is all current AMD CPUs bottleneck all mid range GPUs. Anything from about a GTX 970 level is bottlenecked which makes AMD a very poor choice when building a gaming PC. Which as you can clearly see is pretty much all anybody is asking about.

Sure AMD is a fine choice if you don't game with a half decent rig. AMD is great entry level. Once you start pushing it, AMD quickly falls out of the race due to the poor performance per core. It is very rare for even modern titles to take advantage of anything more than 4 cores at the moment which sadly, puts even the dual core i3's ahead of top end AMD chips due to the much higher IPC (instructions per clock).
 

audie-tron25

Reputable
Mar 23, 2015
498
1
5,165
It's so anti-AMD because their last generation of CPU's were rubbish, even their top tier CPU (the FX-8350) could barely compete with i5's. I used to have an old Phenom ii x2 555 so I'm no Intel fanboy. I also hope that Zen helps them regain their lost market share but it really lowered their reputation. If their competitiveness with the RX 480 is anything to go by (low price and good performance), it'll be exciting to see what happens against Kaby Lake.
 


The problem with the FX-9000 CPUs is that they're unstable and even damage/destroy 99% of motherboards. Even on a motherboard with sufficient power delivery circuitry (which tends to be very expensive), a good number of these CPUs are unstable from the factory at stock speeds. On top of that, they draw 4-5x the power to perform the same, and if you don't spend big money on cooling, you end up with a PC that sounds like a jet engine. AMD would not have released these chips were it not for desperation, but apparently they judged the bad PR to be better than the PR for simply not having a CPU that was objectively faster than a Core i3.

EDIT: For the record, I've owned far more AMD CPUs than Intel, I just wouldn't wish an FX-9xxx CPU on anyone, and consider most of AMD's lineup right now to be inferior for most uses than similarly-priced Intel parts.
 
I miss the days amd actually competed/beat intel and hope zen does deliver but the fx weren't good from the start, hardly comparing to sandy. The only reason they stayed remotely relevant was because they kept dropping the price. Now they are so old and behind, you'd be a fool to buy it. Especially with used 2600 getting to $200 for a whole tower that would have similar performance to the 8350.

Benchmarks don't tell the full story. Even if the scores are not far behind the i5, you're using more than triple the power and that's a ton of heat. Those fx 9000 get so hot, you'd be spending a lot in getting a good cooler or else fight thermal throttling and kill your performance well below a pentium. Then there's also getting a good mobo with vrm to handle all that power. You'd end up spending as much as an i7 that will beat it in every way. Those cpus were a simple marketing tactic to think they had something good to offer at stock. There's also stability issues people have because those cpus are being pushed to their limits to get that speed. Might as well just get 8350 and oc and get used if you want to buy something 4 years old.
 
If someone is restricted by budget then they're restricted by budget. That's fine, many people have different budgets to work with. If we could all afford top of the line there would be no reason for multiple products. It depends on the task at hand. If someone is looking at gaming, most games perform just as well on an i3 than an fx 8350 and the i3 is cheaper - without even considering skylake. If someone isn't gaming and instead video encoding then the fx 8350 might be a fine budget choice, a bit better than the i3 and around the same as a slightly more expensive i5 so in that case it makes sense.

If someone were considering the 9590 (since fx 9000 cpu's were mentioned) they would be better off going with intel. The 9590 requires a high end board like an asus crosshair v formula z (around $216) or an asrock 990fx extreme 9 (around $170). It also needs decent liquid cooling like an h100i or h115i, something along those lines which runs another $100-120. The cpu itself runs right about $200 and is clocked so high at the factory it often has very little headroom.

Working with a budget like that someone could afford an i5 or i7, pair it with a decent motherboard (it wouldn't have to be bottom of the barrel) and a decent cooler and still end up with a stronger/faster pc whether for gaming or other tasks. Not to mention sidestep the power issues common with the fx 9590 and use less power while generating less heat, all additional fringe benefits.

With zen being on the horizon it hasn't made much sense to invest in the fx platform, not when zen will mean a new cpu, new ddr4 ram, a new motherboard, a reinstall of windows. People looking to buy new systems are often pointed to intel where it makes more sense to invest their money. The ability to start with an i3, have the rest of the system in place and making a cpu only upgrade down the road pretty painless with decent gains moving to either an i5 or i7. If someone chooses to invest in an fx 4xxx/6xxx then 8xxx is really the only place they have to go. Performance just isn't that greatly different between a 6xxx and 8xxx so there's a low upgrade ceiling there. For significant performance improvements for say a gamer, they'd be better off moving to intel at the moment than adding two more relatively weak cores to the ones they already have.

Amd is aware of their issues and it's what they're looking to address with upcoming zen. Improvement in ipc performance and improvements in efficiency. If the current fx line were just fine despite what people say then amd would likely go with another round of fx cpu's. Benchmarks highlight the differences. Unfortunately amd hasn't been in the position to develop an fx replacement any sooner than zen, they're likely working as hard as they can to get it to store shelves.

I don't think it's a matter of people hating amd, it just makes little sense in most situations either for budget or upper end. Having such a small niche where it proves to be good bang for the buck has given them an uphill battle. That coupled with the financial or technical inability to hurry up and put the lid on fx with a more competitive replacement. They wound up stuck with the product they had for 4-5yrs (which is a long time in tech) and what can they do besides try and walk a fine line between pricing adjustments and giving their product away entirely. Intel has made similar mistakes in the past but due to their size and resources they had the ability to quickly overcome and redesign their cpu to push forward.
 
Solution