First PC built on a Budget-Used vs new, Graphic Card advice, intel vs amd

ThomasHasPC

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Hi Community!
ot:First-time user here so feel free to move this question somewhere or give any meta-advice.
Since my roommate is quite the PC-enthusiast and just bought a new, very silent Case along with custom watercooling there is a case and power supply just sitting in our living-room. I am looking to filling it with some life to make it a gaming machine.

I would like to play titles like Battlefield 4, The Heist, Rainbow Six: Siege with 60 fps (I won't buy a 144 fps monitor) and 1080p (i guess?)
Option 1:
I thought about buying a ASRock 990FX Extreme6 mainboard (saw a good offer)
and propably a amd fx-6300 (or smth like that) which i want to overclock to get the best performance/price ratio.
I think the MoBo would be good because it has enough slots for PCIe Cards, has a high RAM frequency, enough sATA connections and looks like it could get rid of excessive heat (it has these metal things on the bridges?)
I think the CPU is good because it has six cores and an OK frquency, plus i think it can be easily overclocked (btw i dont know why im so fascinated by overclocking, if it is useless to do, please tell me)
Combo would be around 170 €.
Q1: Can this setup compete/ Can it run games well and Q1.1: Is it worth to spend a few (20-40) extra € for an even better AMD like the Octacore ones w/ higher base speeds?

Another good offer i saw was a used i7 4820K for 150€.
Looking for an affordable mainboard with the 2011 socket was a real pain in the rear, since they are expensive and you stumble across quite many 2011-3 mainboards which seem to be much cheaper and much more widespread.
Q2: Is it worth the while trying to snipe a used mainboard off of ebay? The price for new ones is around 300€ which would explode my budget (I look to invest ~500€)
Q2.1:How much better is the intel cpu in general (my roomie said smth like 30-40% better performance @ the same clock speeds) and which would i go for for a cheap gaming setup.

Also i stumbled across some intel xeon E5somethingsomething processors with 4 cores and OK clock speeds for around 25€. Ichecked for mainboards and they are also very cheap with the option of mounting 2 cpus. Should i look into any xeon-setups besides the old e3 ones? (which aren't exactly cheap and require, again, rare or expensive mainboards)

You can see I focus on CPU+Mainboard first. My personal preference is the AMD setup since it's very available.

My second priority would be some DDR3 RAM, (Q3) I think 8GB would be enough?
Q3.1 is it important to get close to the max supported bus frequencies of the used mainboard?
Q3.2 I heard about overclocking RAM too, what do you do when you overclock RAM?

I would get some SSD to store my system and some games, I guess i will go for a small one first ~250 GB for 60-70€

Which leaves me with just a graphics card missing, am I right? I will have time until Christmas for that problem though. I guess it makes more sense to figure that out later, since the CPU will propably be a bottleneck for the GPU, correct me if I'm wrong.

Also i feel pretty good about not spending too much thoughton Monitor and Mousem Key etc, I guess I will snipe it along the way.
Basically I'm looking for some advice considering CPU choice and a general direction on what I should look for considering Graphic Cards.
 
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If I were you I wouldn't choose that Ivy bridge cpu, look at the specs then compare it to the fx6300.
Takes up too much wattage just to game and do any graphics/desktop productivity works

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116940

vs

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113286

If your going to buy a motherboard make sure its brand new and in working order.
You don't want someone elses mobo problems unless the mobo has been stable for a good while and can get service if needed.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00CO8TA4I/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

If your willing to pay 170.00 top for a cpu this is what I recommend, yes I know you don't live in the usa.
However some usa sellers on amazon will sell to you if your not too far away and the shipping/handlig isn't a problem in your area.

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD6350FRHKBOX-FX-6350-6-Core-Black/dp/B00CLBZAHY/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1473592723&sr=1-1&keywords=amd+fx6350

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-970-GAMING-DDR3-Motherboard/dp/B00LUY72F6/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1473592754&sr=1-3&keywords=amd+fx6350

Those two I would recommend and yes the 6350 is worth the money, better than amd eight core that don't do much better than a hexa-core.

 
That wouldn't be a good choice, his budget is little bit too tight have a look at both links before you reply back again.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_8?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=lga+2011-v3+motherboard&sprefix=lga+2011%2Celectronics%2C152


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007627%20600238945

If you can find a lga 2011 v3 motherboard for under 130.00 and a good one at that I'm all for it.
Otherwise it would be better if he went with the fx6350 or the other intel cpu I linked earlier.
 

ThomasHasPC

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get the i7-4820K and the used lga 2011-3 motherboard and then when Christmas arrives you can buy a GTX 1060 or a even a 1070 if your budget allows it.
the difference between the i7-4820 and the fx 6300 is equal to an speedboat and a fighter jet. the i7 will have huge performance advantage over the FX 6300.[/quotemsg]

Wait, so will a 2011-3 socket fit the 2011 processor? I thought it wouldnt match.
There are way more 2011-3 Motherboards around, so I could get a used one for cheap (i guess)
As for the i5-6600k build: Thats approx the money i wanted to spend on cpu, board, graphics and maybe even ssd.
And the Wats will be a problem for cooling reasons, right?


 
You're really probably better off buying a Skylake i5 and a cheap board for it, than going with a much older CPU and board. The 6500 will outperform the 4820K in most desktop tasks while drawing a lot less power, and motherboards are half the price (or less). The FX chip isn't even worth considering.
 


http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117563&cm_re=intel-_-19-117-563-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128871


http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233944

Sorry I took awhile to reply but for your budget thats the best you can do and you'll be off to a great start with it.
As for the gpu I suggest you save up and hide 270 euros underneath the bed until you can pay for one.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zotac-GeForce-1060-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B01IA9FEOO/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1473843484&sr=1-4&keywords=GTX1060

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zotac-GeForce-970%C2%A0Amp-4096MB-GDDR5%C2%A0256/dp/B01561V7PY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1473843707&sr=8-5&keywords=GTX970+zotac


If you have a mid atx case the 970 should be able to fit in there right alongside the memory and heatsink fan.

http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118157&cm_re=cpu_heatsink-_-35-118-157-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=thermal+grease&N=50010689&isNodeId=1

Those two items will shut that intel skylake up when it starts to get really hot.

So with that shown to you, thats how you build a good computer under a tight budget.
May take you 3 months or a half year to get it, but if you wait and save your money for a nice holiday sale.
You could get away with murder and score big when spending less for the original retailed price for the year.
 
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