£1.3k Custom Build: Looking for advice

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Hi there!

My partner and I are planning on making two gaming rigs in the next month or so, which will be a first for us. We have a friend helping us with the building process, but at the moment we are still trying to decide on parts.

Our build at the moment is this:
CPU: AMD FX-9590 4.7GHz 8-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Nepton 120XL 76.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Extreme9 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
RAM: G.Skill Ripsaws X Series 16GB (2x8G) DDR3-1600 Memory
Drives: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5” SSD + Seagate Constellation ES.3 1TB 3.5” 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Graphics Card: XFX Radeon RX 480 8GB XXX OC Video Card
Power Supply Unit: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
Case: NZXT Phantom 820 Full Tower Case
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Windows 7
( PCpartpicker list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XDNygL )

We already have two monitors, so those are not included. AMD over Intel is a choice we're eager to try out as we've heard many good things, but we're open to be swayed on this if you have a passionate opinion on it. We've done our best to pick our well-reviewed parts across the board.

Used for:
Gaming (Guild Wars 2, Riders of Icarus, Divinity: Original Sin and Divinity: Original Sin 2 *when it releases, Borderlands 2, League of Legends, etc etc.)
Video Editing
Artwork

Priorities:

Low temperature case
Reliability

Durability (we game for hours on end at a time)

Meh:
Eyecandy (hence the pricey case)
Overclocking (We're interested but have no clue where to start)

Not priorities:
Noise


Our biggest question is about cooling; we're not sure about going liquid with it. Our friend recommends liquid cooling, but we're not sure. I'm hoping not to trigger a massive debate on air vs. liquid cooling here, but my research on it still leaves me questioning which one would be better, and are looking for an experienced opinion. The general consensus seems to be that air cooling is more reliable and less maintenance, which is a pro for us considering that reliability is a priority and we've never had to maintain a liquid cooler before and would have no idea what we're doing, but that you trade improved cooling for this at a relatively low risk. The price difference between the two is not a major concern, as if we're going to spend money building rigs we really want to have them in a good place. The air cooler we'd go with otherwise is most likely the Noctua NH D15, but we are completely open to alternative options.

Our other questions are about the build entirety; does it seem solid? Do any components stick out as a problem in some way? Is there room for improvement within this budget (or a close stretch that would improve something significantly? Is the speed of our DDR3 RAM okay and is 16GB enough? Has anybody purchased something from XFX before, were they okay?

Thank you very much for reading through, and thanks in advance for any help. We'll be around a bit tonight (UK time) and tomorrow, and we'll try to reply to any questions/comments as soon as we can.
 
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If you're going for a gaming build, you're way off. The FX9590 is probably the single worst decision you could possibly make

It would perform about the same as an i3 6100 for 5 times the cost, heat, and power consumption. Avoid at all costs.

A simple i5 build would come in cheaper and be CONSIDERABLY better in every single way.

CTurbo

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If you're going for a gaming build, you're way off. The FX9590 is probably the single worst decision you could possibly make

It would perform about the same as an i3 6100 for 5 times the cost, heat, and power consumption. Avoid at all costs.

A simple i5 build would come in cheaper and be CONSIDERABLY better in every single way.
 
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By going with the much more powerful i5, you can actually save a lot of money. The 480 is not a bad choice, but the 1060 id faster for about the same money.



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£213.34 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£39.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£127.43 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory (£70.61 @ More Computers)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£133.08 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1060 3GB GAMING X 3G Video Card (£221.82 @ More Computers)
Case: NZXT Phantom 820 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case (£189.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£119.99 @ Novatech)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer (£12.17 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1171.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Hi CTurbo,

Thanks for replying!

What makes the AMD CPU so bad? We've heard such good things about AMD and it seems to weigh in decently against i7s in this benchmark list: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php
Is it something to do with its performance paralleled with the rest of the build?

Warm regards,
Ash and Sarah
 

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That benchmark is completely irrelevant to your needs. Most games only use 1 or 2 threads, and the FX9590 has a terrible single thread performance. See a more relevant benchmark from the same sight and you'll see how very far down the list the FX9590 falls.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html







Not to mention that the FX9590 is a nightmare for stability. We get threads on here everyday with somebody having trouble with their 9590 or complaining about performance.
 

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Took your list and modified it to a one powerful gaming rig that costs £2 less than the original one.

Pcpp list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/WBQWtJ

Changes made and why i did them:

CPU
Intel i5-6600K is currently one of the best CPU's that fully supports OC (overclocking).
comparison: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6600K-vs-AMD-FX-9590/3503vs1812

CPU cooler
Put in Arctic Freezer i32 that can be upgraded from push system to push-pull system with another 120mm fan.
specs: https://www.arctic.ac/eu_en/freezer-i32.html

MoBo
Put in a MSI Z170A Gaming M5 for the high end gaming and OC. (some features: faster RAM speeds (DDR4 up to 3600 Mhz), full SLI/crossfire support, 2x M.2-2280 slots)
specs: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z170A-GAMING-M5.html#hero-specification

RAM
To get you going: Kingston's 2x 4GB DDR4 3000Mhz RAM for OC. Leaving 2 RAM slots free for the future upgrade.

Storage
SSD: Kingston's 240GB M.2-2280 SSD (uses one of the two M.2 slots on the MoBo)
specs: http://www.kingston.com/datasheets/sm2280s3g2_us.pdf
HDD: WD Caviar Blue 1TB, durable and well priced

GPU
Switched it to a GTX 1070 for much better performance and for future SLI cabability.
comparison: http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-480-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1070/3634vs3609

PSU
Put in Seasonic X-750, fully modular Tier one PSU.
specs: https://seasonic.com/product/x-750/
PSU Tier list: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html
 

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If you're looking for eye candy, you could go with what's probably my favorite case on the market right now for looks. I've got the red one ordered right now and am just waiting for it to show up. I second the switch to Intel though, as well as the 1070

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nHfz6X
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nHfz6X/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£213.34 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£39.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£127.43 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LED 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£86.87 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£133.08 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£41.99 @ Novatech)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card (£368.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Inwin 805 BLACK ATX Mid Tower Case (£131.34 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£86.77 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1229.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Thanks for looking into this build, we're currently fiddling with it and making changes so this is really useful to us, especially with the explanations! :)
 

CTurbo

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As these other guys have shown you, you could easily fit a GTX1070 in your budget


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£213.34 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£39.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£127.43 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory (£70.61 @ More Computers)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£133.08 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Palit GeForce GTX 1070 8GB JetStream Video Card (£368.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M Acrylic ATX Mid Tower Case (£68.31 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: XFX XTR 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£99.91 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer (£12.17 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1176.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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You're welcome. :)

There are many options to choose from, for example:

You could switch out the M.2-2280 SSD for a regular 2.5" SSD if you find using the M.2 port uncomfortable.
Kingston Savage 240GB 2.5"
Pcpp: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/zHNypg/kingston-internal-hard-drive-shss37a240g

If you feel that Seasonic's X-750 power on 12V rails of 744W is somewhat low, you can also go for Seasonic X-850 that offers 840W on 12V rails.
specs: https://seasonic.com/product/x-850/
Pcpp: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/JQbp99/seasonic-power-supply-x850

As far as CPU cooling goes, here's a little video to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j80dQIxkdc
I, personally, prefer air cooling. Not because the cost but because air coolers don't need much maintenance.
I'm not willing to take the risk that when water cooler decides to leak and take my whole system with it, i'd be left without a working PC.

To get low temp case, your airflow must be good.
Here's nice tutorial to read: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/faq/id-1858957/airflow-101-setting-fans-keeping-computer-cool.html
 

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After much tinkering and deliberating we've increased our budget to come up with this at the moment:
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/8C6WtJ
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£299.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£67.98 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£129.53 @ Aria PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£73.24 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£133.08 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card (£424.99 @ CCL Computers)
Case: NZXT Phantom 630 Windowed Edition (Black) ATX Full Tower Case (£129.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£123.21 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer (£12.17 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1436.18
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-17 03:11 BST+0100

We’ve stretched more and have our eyes big on the i7-4790 on this setup…

…but this does not seem to be compatible with the the i7-4970 (curse you, greed!)

Anything above 2kMhz seems to give us a voltage warning on this setup, though, so we’ve put in DDR3 1866 Ripjaws for now.

You’ve both mentioned this so we’ve put one in!

This is the same - but the platinum certified version.

This is in now too. :)

This has some great advice that we hadn't read about, we'll buy some compressed air to keep the dust off, elevate our cases (I'd never even thought about this), they're already not going on carpet, but we'll make sure they're not close against anything to try and give them breathing room. If we were replacing fans, what should we look for in the replacements? The guide does say to look for fans with a high cubic feet per minute, but I don't recall seeing that phrasing used on fan descriptions. :/

We were looking, then the lady found this: https://www.nzxt.com/products/hue which is compatible with the NZXT Phantom 630 case (windowed) we've picked out. I think that's all the eyecandy we've been looking for. :)

Hopefully we haven't caused a big wave of new issues!

Thank you guys very much for all of your help and advice so far, it is really appreciated! :)
 

CTurbo

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Don't get the older i7 when you can get the newer i7 for a little less.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£293.88 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£67.98 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£127.43 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory (£70.61 @ More Computers)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£133.08 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card (£424.99 @ CCL Computers)
Case: NZXT Phantom 630 Windowed Edition (Black) ATX Full Tower Case (£129.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£123.21 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer (£12.17 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1426.33
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Here is stronger performance build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£293.88 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£67.98 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£127.43 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£69.93 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£60.97 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Palit GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Super JetStream Video Card (£583.98 @ Ebuyer)
Case: NZXT Phantom (Black) ATX Full Tower Case (£109.99 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£105.89 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer (£12.17 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1475.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I traded in Platinum PSU and 500GB SSD for a Gold PSU and 250GB SSD and got you GTX1080.
 

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"Cubic feet per minute" is shortened by CFM. For example, Noctua NH-D15 CPU cooler has 82.5 CFM.

Another thing to watch out for fans is the bearing system used in them. 3 major bearing systems used:
Sleeve bearing (lifetime 40k hours, best mounted horizontally, cheapest of the three)
Ball bearing (lifetime 60-75k hours, can be mounted any way, noisiest of the three)
Fluid bearing (lifetime 100-300k, can be mounted any way, quietest of the three)
Some further reading about fan bearing systems: http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/779-computer-case-fan-bearing-differences

As far as fans go, i prefer Arctic Cooling due to their long lasting and quiet fluid dynamic bearing.
site: https://www.arctic.ac
One example being the standard Arctic F12 PWM 120mm, putting out 74 CFM @ 1350 RPM.
specs: https://www.arctic.ac/eu_en/arctic-f12-pwm.html
pcpp: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/HPZQzy/arctic-cooling-case-fan-af12pwm

Oh, go for PWM fans since the speed of the fan can be controlled according to the needs.
 

Ajaiix

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Good morning guys!


Thank you both, that's a definite benefit. We've put the 6700K and Z170A M5 in instead, with DDR4 3K 16GB RAM. :)


This tradeoff... Oh my! Yes please! :p

Thanks again for explaining so thoroughly to us, it's so helpful to be able to clearly understand it all. :)

You guys are absolutely making our week, we've come such a long way from where we started! Thank you all SO much! Much love!

Initial build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-9590 4.7GHz 8-Core Processor (£191.99)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Nepton 120XL 76.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£44.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Extreme9 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£173.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£65.45 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£147.62 @ Misco UK)
Storage: Seagate Constellation ES.3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£92.95 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 480 8GB XXX OC Video Card (£229.97 @ Ebuyer)
Case: NZXT Phantom 820 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case (£189.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£119.99 @ Novatech)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer (£12.17 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1269.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-17 10:09 BST+0100


Current build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£293.88 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£67.98 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: MSI Z170A GAMING M5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£139.97 @ More Computers)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£84.00 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£60.97 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card (£660.92 @ BT Shop)
Case: NZXT Phantom 630 Windowed Edition (Black) ATX Full Tower Case (£129.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£105.89 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer (£12.17 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1598.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-17 10:10 BST+0100
 


Please don't go with MSI motherboard they are quality control issues so don't want to take a risk. Go with ASUS Z170-A I listed or even better go with the below ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING/AURA
Motherboard: Asus Z170 PRO GAMING/AURA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£147.85 @ More Computers)
 

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I wouldn't write off MSI. I personally have the Gaming M7 and it's been far better than any Asus board I've owned.

Definitely go with the MSI board for a red/black theme, as the Asus board makes it look off (I actually wound up selling that exact board to go with the MSI one for that exact reason)
 

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Looks like we're left at a bit of a dilemma, we'll do some research and decide ourselves, if the ASUS motherboard doesn't bring any extra features that we could use its probabyl not worth streching our budget for, or so we're thinking anyways!
 

We are trying to get Black/Red theme. For that MSI Z170A GAMING M5 is suited, but as MSI has QC issue I recommended ASUS MAXIMUS VIII HERO.

Actually if a person gets lucky and receives good MSI board that is great but if not then that could be a problem. Recently in this forum there was a thread in which OPs MSI mobo got fried for no reason. Just trying to be safe I suggested ASUS. That doesn't mean all MSI boards are bad but in all the brands MSI is the one to get highest problems. There are many in this forum who are using MSI without facing any problem.