need some feed back on older gamer

gomer68 · Sep 20, 2016

Ok, I have been playing battlefield games from the bf1942-the present and they are coming out with a newer one in oct, my last build was about 3-4 years ago. this is mine now I-5 3570k 1155,asrock z77 extreme4,gigabyte HD 6850 1GB GDDR5,ballistix sport 16 gig ddr3,corsair gs700. otz ssd. So the new requirements are processor (AMD) FX- 6350 or (Intel) I-5 6600k
Memory 8gb ram
Graphics card: (AMD)radeon HD 7850 2 GB
(NVIDIA) Geforce GTX 660 2GB
SO the big question is if i able to upgrade my video card do you think i can still play this game or would i have to upgrade more like cpu mb?
Thank you for your time
GOMER68

genthug · Sep 20, 2016

Are you overclocking? If not, give that a go. The stark difference in the "minimum" req for the CPU leaves a bit of doubt on my end whether or not it actually minimally requires a skylake i5, or if they're simply saying that just because they can. Either that, or anyone who tries to play the game on a 6350 is going to have a horrible experience.

IMO, your CPU should be fine. And if it is a slight bottleneck, if you aren't currently overclocking it, give that a whirl. It's a K CPU, so it'll be easy enough to learn overclocking on.

As for the GPU, an upgrade is definitely due.

NewbieGeek · Sep 20, 2016

What genthug said. If anything, you will need a gpu upgrade. My a10-5800k, overclocked, and my r7 370 played the open beta on high at 50+fps. Your i5 is much better than my cpu, although your graphics are worse, and you would most likely benefit from upgraded graphics. The cpu should be fine.

photonboy · Sep 20, 2016

WAIT for the game to come out and then see how your GPU stacks up.

You'll have a good experience with a GTX660 if you tweak the game properly, but a GTX1060 or better will give a better experience.

The MONITOR is important too, but it depends on your budget. (2560x1440, IPS). That's another discussion.

genthug · Sep 20, 2016

Just to clarify photon--the 660 is the recommended (minimum?) GPU, not the one in OPs system. OP has a 6950.

photonboy · Sep 28, 2016

genthug :

Ah. I found his info a bit confusing.

*OP, the i5-3570K is already a much better CPU for gaming than the FX-6350 so rebuilding your system would be a huge waste of money there.

(I've got an i7-3770K and have a very good idea of how it's used, and how much CPU's tend to bottleneck in general)

The i5-6600K is better, but not by enough to recommend. There are much, much better ways to spend the money. Better GPU, monitor, etc. The i5-6600K may give a small boost relative to the i5-3570K when paired with a good GPU, but for most games it's going to be very small.

Assume the i5-3570K is slightly slower than the i5-4670K:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/71760-intel-skylake-i5-6500-i5-6400-i3-6100-review-10.html

As you can see a lot of games perform similarly due to the GPU being the bottleneck, so once the CPU is fast enough an even faster one often doesn't do much.

*Update: the first graph shows a game that is very demanding on the CPU. It needs a good i7 CPU even to get the best FPS. That's not typical, and getting that performance would need an i7-6700K setup (which adds roughly $600 to $700 with CPU, memory, mobo, possibly Windows).

Also, overclocking the i5-3570K is going to improve performance in games with CPU bottleneck situations. You should be able to gain about 15% performance. You may be able to do that simply by manually adjusting the multipliers and NOT even messing with voltage.

(you may normally be roughly 3.5GHz under load, but may be able to raise the multiplier to "42" when all four cores are used. I have 42,42,43,43 set for my i7-3770K. So under load I never drop below 4.2GHz. So you could see a gain of 42/35 or 20% vs default settings. You can go even higher if you have a good CPU, raise the voltage and also have a good cooler)

So... budget?

The GTX1060 6GB (not 3GB) is a great choice. Roughly $280USD for one of the better cards. If you can afford it go for the GTX1070.

It's not critical but I'd upgrade to 16GB of DDR3 memory at some point. With 8GB I would avoid having web browsers open when gaming at least.

No power supply issue.

I'll post this and link some recommendations below.

Summary:
1) core system is fine
2) 16GB recommended at some point
3) GTX1060 6GB, or GTX1070 highly recommended

photonboy · Sep 28, 2016

1) GTX1060 6GB - $320 (for one of the best cards)
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/3bL7YJ/asus-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-strix-video-card-rog-strix-gtx1060-o6g-gaming

2) GTX1070 8GB - $415
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tv38TW/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-sc-gaming-acx-30-video-card-08g-p4-6173-kr

*One of the good GTX1070's for about the $420 to $450USD price range is by far my best advice.

3) GTX1070 PERFORMANCE-> https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/24.html

4) GTX1070 vs HD6850?
It's hard to compare because you only have 1GB of video memory which very few games work with at the HIGHER graphical settings so they can really tank the frame rate. If there was no VRAM issue then your FPS is probably about 5X as high.

So 50FPS instead of 10FPS.

It's going to vary a lot for other reasons, but basically it's a massive step up.

4) System memory?
My board only supports 4GB per stick, so I have a 4x4GB kit. You should also buy IDENTICAL memory modules, preferably in the same kit. If you can find the EXACT same kit it should work fine.

For example, if you have 2x4GB kit and two spare slots, find the EXACT same kit and install to the remaining slots.

Or buy a 4x4GB kit like this: http://pcpartpicker.com/product/rxzv6h/gskill-memory-f317000cl9q16gbzh

5) Installation.
I would do this->
a) download the drivers for the card from NVidia (manually)
http://www.geforce.com/drivers
b) download and run DDU to remove your current drivers (use recommended option for safe boot)
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

c) after it reboots, SHUT DOWN again
d) Swap video cards, ensure card is fully seated and power cables attached etc.
e) monitor attached to new card
f) startup
g) Install the NVidia drivers you had downloaded
h) go to desktop-> right-click then find the display settings and configure resolution, as well as DPI scaling if necessary (I use 125% for a 1440p monitor)

Other:
- possibly GSYNC monitor at some point but they are expensive
- setup proper ASPECT scaling if not done (I don't use the monitor itself. I use the NVidia Control Panel and set to "ASPECT" and to scale on the "GPU")
- use Adaptive VSYNC for some games if applicable (toggles VSYNC on and OFF. I won't go into detail here)
- NVidia requires a sign in now for the Geforce Experience software (which includes NVidia Share to record gameplay).

Summary:
- GTX1070 recommended
- learn NVidia software tweaks/setup
- 16GB system memory? (no rush, though memory prices for DDR3 may go up)

Finally, if you add a GTX1070 I think you should get about FIVE YEARS or so out of this computer. It's hard to say how CPU requirements will change because DX12/Vulkan, when properly optimized, can make use of most of your CPU while using more efficient coding.

So the i5-3570K should last, even when driving a good GPU (more draw calls etc).

DX12/Vulkan games could start adding code that uses the extra threads now that multi-threading is starting to work well, but these changes tend to happen over YEARS. They are also influenced heavily bu the amount of processing power the game consoles work.

Anyway, you can always revisit this issue in a few years or if your motherboard or CPU crap out.

J_E_D_70 · Sep 28, 2016

My 3570k at 4.3 with a gtx 1070 ran the BF1 beta at 1440p ultra very smoothly (90+).

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