Hard Freeze and Reboot after days of troubleshooting with experts (save me guys)

Gabriel_Garcia

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First, introducing my self, I'm a computer scientist, national champion (Brazil) of parallel programming, so I love high performance computing, and decide to build my first gaming rig, lovely, learned a freaking lot and still are! So this a all new gaming rig:

So, first things first, my hardware:
- NZXT H440 Case (3 stock intakes, 1 stock exhaust, 1 Corsair AF140 exhaust)
- Corsair GS800 PSU
- Gigabyte 990-FXA-UD3 R1.1 MB
- AMD FX 8320E (stock BIOS) CPU
- 2x8GB 1866 10-11-10-30 HyperX RAM
- AMD R9 380X GPU
- Corsair H55 Cooler
- 2TB 5400 RPM HDD
- TP-Link PCI Express x1 Wireless board
- Windows 10 fully updated, no anti-virus, only windows defender.

The problem now, the computer randomly (and I mean randomly, videos, downloads, idle, gaming, you name it) hard freezes and reboots (also the uptime can range from 10 minutes to 5 hours).

For my fan setup: I got 3 120mm intakes on the front (plus a H55 in the back as intake) and 2 140mm exhausts on the top, for positive pressure.

What I tried so far (and this a big list)
- Memtest86+, No errors
- Prime95 + Furmark, No reboot so no direct link
- HD health check, No errors
- Mainline Estabilizer 1000 VA, Same thing
- Raising memory voltage (I will attach my voltages below, the memory should be 1.5 and is dropping a little), Same thing
- Raising CPU voltage (didn't cost try within safe temperatures), Same thing
- Scavenging Google, Tried all in earth and nothing
- Changing HDD for isolating software problems, Same thing
- Changing the power cord, Same thing
- Changing the power outlet, Same thing
- Logging temperatures, All normal (I will attach the temperatures after benchmarking)
- Checking Event Viewer for detailed crash information, Just says there was a power surge or crash (thanks Microsft)

And now the BIZARRE PART, I sent it to a respected store within a capital city (Belo Horizonte, I'm from Brazil) and after a week of testing the technicians couldn't reproduce the freeze or reboot!!! WTF!!! This is why I tried a mainline estabilizer as I suspected my power outlet was failing, still same shit and the estabilizer didn't even accused drops or peaks. The technician told me he only run all the possible stress tests and couldn't reproduce the error.

Now I'm logging the PSU voltages so when the problem occurs I can see the last voltages and diagnose accordingly (now I'm waiting for the problem to occur).

And the diagnose I'm most confident is that my PSU is failing because the fan is supposed to respond to thermal or usage sensors, in Idle the fan kicks in sometimes briefly and stops and repeat that, BUT the problem is that when touching the PSU it feels hot, and as far as I know, PSUs are supposed to work below 40 degress celsius. Trying to describe the hotness: it's completely supportable but is easy to feel, one can tell easily that it's hot.

The voltages attachment aren't within benchmarking, but I remember then:
+5V came in as low as 5.000V
+3.3V came in as low as 3.296V
+12.2V came as low as 12.176V
DIMM came as low as 1.472V
VCore uses turbo boost so it's useless info but came as high as 1.424V

SAVE ME PLEASE GUUUYS :(

Update 1:
Computer rebooted while logging each 2 seconds and the voltages were fine.

Temperatures:
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Voltages:
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Solution
I was thinking house power too. But try to mess with the power switches on the system and the PSU. many times there is a mechanical error and driving your rig to the store could "fix" it for some time. Put a jumper around each switch. If it happens again, try jumping the other. You will know if the one jumped stops the issue.

dbratton54

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OK, the system freezes and shuts down at home and not in the store. If you are confident that the tech at the store let the computer run for 5-6 hours and never had any issue with it, then you need to figure out what is the difference between the store and your home. To me, that would mean that this is not caused by anything in your computer. That makes me think of the house's power supply. The 1000va stabilizer eliminates that as a possible cause. Thus, we have now eliminated everything.

This makes me think the tech at the store did not test your system fully. If the problem is anywhere in your computer, he should have seen it in a week of testing.

Have you tried running on one stick of RAM at a time? or running on the motherboard's onboard video instead of the AMD GPU?
 

charliewhiskey

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I was thinking house power too. But try to mess with the power switches on the system and the PSU. many times there is a mechanical error and driving your rig to the store could "fix" it for some time. Put a jumper around each switch. If it happens again, try jumping the other. You will know if the one jumped stops the issue.
 
Solution

Gabriel_Garcia

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Thanks for the reply!! I tought EXACTLY as you did, I tried to recreate the environment that the techy create which as you stated and I also think, didn't test it fully, he didn't used the wireless board, audio or peripherals, just stress tested all the stuff and when nothing came he just gave up, I tried disconeccting peripherals but didn't solve, now I tried disabling the wireless board and disconnecting peripherals and ran a stress test on CPU (prime95), interestlying enough when I woke up it was in a 6 hours uptime (I don't sleep much), I left it on stress testing and went to college (now) and will head back in about 14 hours, and see the results, two things possible here: (the wireless board is buggy/my motherboard isn't fine) AND the CPU fan was more active thus the PSU was cooler than before, making me think that the PSU fan is load driven, it reacts to load and not to temperatures.
So my next test will be removing the PSU from the case and cooling it actively with a cooler master sickeflow that I have that I don't use anymore.

And this ALSO explains why the techy couldn't reproduce, the system does not freeze or reboot under stress test, it does more on idle and real loads.

Also, thanks for noticing that I didn't specify my memories! I will try your suggestion as I never did it before, who knows right? And unfortunately I don't have onboard graphics, this isn't that sad because that GPU never showed any sign of problem
 

Gabriel_Garcia

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Thanks for the insight!! I will try this today.