When I open files from my secondary HDD drive, will they pass through the main SSD drive?

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When I open files from my secondary HDD drive, will they pass through the main SSD drive?

Because, I want to only store the OS and programs on the SSD drive, and while it becomes faulty over time and while I replace the OS/programs, I absolutely do not want my important data to pass through that thing (SSD). I'm wondering if say Paint would load into the RAM, maybe it allllll goes therrrre? I can just imagine that these components probably direct stuff around. Anyone know?
 
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"replacing it yearly"
I have 7 SSD's within arms reach, 6 currently installed, between 3 systems that are on 24/7. The eldest drive is 4+ years old. The 7th, and oldest, is just awaiting a new system to go into.

You can continue to think that you will kill an SSD...

Barty1884

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In a very simplistic sense - every file you access will "pass through" the SSD (or any other OS hosting drive).

The OS is the interface you're using to access the files, so there's an inevitable interconnect...

Provided you're storing your files on secondary storage, a failed/failing SSD is not going to result in data loss from a secondary HDD (unless something catastrophic was to happen).

If you have anything that critical that you're scared even passing through an SSD/OS could corrupt, then you need to be implementing frequent backups (daily, hourly etc depending on how often it's updated)
 

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I think he maybe concerned about endurance so I think he asking if he opening files on the 2 hard drive will account toward endurance on the SSD. There will be some (temp files, page files, etc) "touching" on the OS drive but nothing to be really concerned about.
 

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No ikaz I'm not.

Ah man it all passes through the main SSD drive OS...........

I know you said errors have "already" happened and the passing data would be fine....but....look again at the below results of simply a blackout! Passing through THAT, is, not acceptable right right?

>Bit errors: Random, incorrectly written bits of data
>Flying writes: Writes that were correctly written, but end up in the wrong location
>Shorn writes: Writes that are below the expected size, due to the power failure
>Metadata corruption: Corruption to the Flash Translation Layer (FTL) that sits between the SSD hardware and the operating system
>Bricked device: Self explanatory
>Unserializability: The storage blocks that are written are not written in the proper operation order

Even with a UPS backup battery, because SSDs still turn out like da above, I don't think I want my data passing through it.

I was going to use it to save my HDD from booting and using programs, plus speed, plus even to say install win7 ad then more safely wipe it and install win10 PLUS have shortcuts that go to the HDD so win10 has a bigger chance of not moving all my files to a last update folder or delete select few (no touching my files lol! [not even antivirus scan])...win10 says "all your files are where you left them" = initiates investigation. Maybe it's uploading all files to its servers and then reinstalling them after each update, even moving them, = wear n tear. Having such a headache with my "new pc build".

My pc build is based on price, speed, and reliability 0 physical/logical corruption. SSD & win10 almost fit the bill of noooot reliable. SO scared.
 

Barty1884

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There are definitely risks when looking at things like blackouts etc.

If you have particularly critical information that makes the risk of a blackout too severe.....and don't view a UPS as relevant solution, then I don't know what to tell you. You're looking at server grade hardware, backup generators & constant 24/7 backups to ensure you don't suffer any form of failure.
 

USAFRet

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win10 says "all your files are where you left them" = initiates investigation. Maybe it's uploading all files to its servers and then reinstalling them after each update, even moving them, = wear n tear.

No, it does not work like that.
Upgrading from Win 7 to Win 10, and it says "all your files are where you left them"...it does not upload that other 200BG/500GB/2TB to the 'cloud' and then download them.
Not even.


Overall, backups are your friend.
 

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@USAFret Because Windows 10 is the final OS, it will keep updating major builds yearly, and keeps saying that line, and I honestly don't know if it's "touching" even near each stored file...installing new OSs often wipe everything. I don't want any of my files re-put on or touched. For example win7 - 1 install - put on files - relaxes.

I don't need real-time protection, or a double HDD to create a backup. I upload my important data to my gmail almost each night, while video/etc is on a external HDD not connected to the wall. And only the SSD would at-least need the UPS for some better data reliability.

I think I'm going to go with windows 7, no SSD, and have to possibly skip that nice cheap skylake processor for a more expensive broadwell 6800K or one lower 5820K, skylake is said to not be made nor work as good unless on windows 10 :(. Otherwise I go with skylake and windows 10 and with a headache of a corporation on my computer.
 

Barty1884

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Very few people actually do need that level of fail-safe - I didn't think you'd be one who did, but you never know.

Honestly, you definitely seem like you're worrying about nothing.

You appear to distrust Windows 10.....yet you trust Google/Gmail with your data?

You don't want an SSD for it's potential susceptibility to damage from blackouts or spikes, but you trust an external (mechanical) HDD not to get physically dropped?
 

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The SSd will bug up, the external in my closet will stay safe and re-bought if it got dropped.

Trusting google with my private data is not the problem, it's actually open data, rather preservation, and gmail does keep those preserved each night. While, windows 10 may be touching all files during its "update" parody.

I wrote down all win10 problems. 7 & 8 & 10 have 1 from long ago - the removal of the ability to drag n drop a file/image between two in a folder, example 20 images of girls in a folder, and I want to move their order around. Nextly, the rest are with win10 (after this I'll point out which of the below are the major-badies)

>Why I just cannot bare to put my life's work on windows 10:
>Old hardware/software may not work.
>Interrupts my work with updates or temporary blank desktop etc.
>Can't trust my settings will stay put.
>Forces updates that may entail radically new design changes since windows10 is the final OS and may be bad but you cannot keep the old version you had.
>Windows10 has all malware attributes and uninstalls/changes/messes with your drivers/programs/files. >Updates may move your files into a backup folder or upload it all and then download it back.
>Feeds update torrents by using nearby pcs.
>Privacy concerns>all you speak/type/search/open etc. Possibly image hashes de-sized and search Google's Deep-Learning hash tree.
>My thought about it all "Please I'm scared, I won't switch to 10 until a new face is shown with trust and a bright haven behind it."
>Their feedback messages publicly shown all sound like me.

Majorly:
Privacy
Hardware Compatibility
Files it erases/moves -or- uploads&downloads

MAJOR:
The Files! --- Since I can put notes in each folder saying "should be 8,000 images here", what remains is the UNKNOWN WHA! Has win10 moved them? You can't tell! Why do those updates take so long! OS installs wipe all. And remember it says win10 is the last and so it has major OS "installs". And it says it'all where you left them. Major deal breaker. Give me that dev? They need my hands on their win10. Read up on its problems. Just this morning the big update changed my background to theirs. And I've seen pictures of peoples's files left in a "backup folder" or something, idk what that is.
 

Barty1884

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I didn't say anything about private vs public data. I commented that you trust Google, but not MS/Windows.

To respond to your points:
1. Old hardware/software not being supported is nothing new. That's been happening all along.

2. There should be no updates interrupting your work or resulting in a blank desktop - you may well have to configure settings and disable updates if that is an issue for you.

3. What reason do you have to suspect your settings would not stay put? Any why do you trust Windows less than.....well, any other device/service? Cellphone? Games console? Tablet?
For a ridiculous comparison, it'll maintain your settings better than a stove will maintain the clock settings after losing power.

4. Again, nothing much has changed here. OS's have always been updating. Things have changed a little as to how they're implemented, but historically support would simply cease.

5. The 'upgrade' may uninstall/change/mess with a driver/program/file.....afterwards, again, it's no worse now than it's ever been.

6. No, your data is not being uploaded/downloaded (at least nothing non-OS related).

7. If you don't disable it, then it's a possibility.

8. Again, can be disabled.

9. Their feedback messages have a lot of paranoia about them, absolutely. You never hear the 'good' reviews, much like a restaurant feedback on Yelp or similar. Bad experience (or perception) and people will shout it from the rooftops. Good experience/perception, and nobody hears anything.

The unknown aspect of what's happening with your images. Do you use a cellphone? Android? Apple? etc. Why would you be convinced they're leaving your files alone either?

99% of your issues seem to be either misinformation, not being prepared to safeguard your own privacy (as much as you can while still using a corporate entities software), or outright paranoia. You're comfortable with Google, but not with Windows - that's a complete double-standard which I still can't wrap my head around.
 

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Do a search for " Sean's Windows 7 install & optimization guide for SSD's and HDD's , this explains how to put your OS on the SSD and your programs and files on the HDD. It was written for Windows 7 but works the same way with Windows 10 . I used it to set up my computer and it works great. It will also answer most of the questions you have about keeping your information safe, it's about a 15 min read to get an idea of how to set things up and you can refer to it for details.
 

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- Because gmail is only holding each night's backup of a few very important notes, which I'm sure stays put on their drive.

- But, win 10 has allll my video/music/images/etc...that's a sea to have to watch, and it may be touching it all during the major OS builds, remember this is the last Windows and therefore has major-builds that are the ones that wipe all data like installing ex. XP/7 does and win10 says all is where you left it, well, why doesn't the other 1-time OSs install do such? Cus Win10 is secretly putting your files back-on and touches all-of-them. ? Did you miss my reply above? It said somethin like "remember this is last windows and so etc".

Again, readup on win10 problems, settings are set to some evil things and can revert back. This morning my background got changed. Thanksgiving deleted peoples's innocent program and related files. Etc.

I use nothing else. Even new games aren't like Donkey Kong Country etc. Can't even buy a game lol! And no, I can just tell you they are likely safe. Though, microft for example on the Xbone yes is, I will re-tell you that they actually probably DO erase and mess your stuff around. Just look at it, bad design etc. Even controller.

I feel like everything is linearily going downhill. Even hardware. Old things used to last. Every other game was good. None today are good, you know-it admit it. Only I am left. I can do it.
 

Barty1884

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Oh I'm aware of the points you're getting hung up on, absolutely. I don't agree with you on a lot of the points, but you certainly are not the only one with those concerns.

Yes, Windows 10 is supposedly the 'last one'. Think about that. Support for W7 ends in 2020. Windows 8 has a lot of the same perceived issues as Windows 10, and it's only supported through 2023.
 

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Did you read my other post? If so please do as I suggested, the article I'm referring you to will answer your questions.
 

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Wait a moment here.......

Let me be more clear.

I'm talking about when you come across a image on the web in Google Images Search page, and want to save it. Does the image that gets saved ever pass the SSD or just goes to the HDD save drive? Why would it have to pass the SSD? And doesn't all temporary data like the search page's images etc go into the faster RAM anyhow?
 

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It gets saved to whatever drive you choose.
It will probably get written to a temp folder on the SSD, and then pass on to the actual location on the HDD. That is what the temp folder is for.

Why?
 

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Because I don't want the image to pass through such a corrupted storage device such as the SSD in its old age. I don't want the pixels to be "changed".

Are you sure on this?

Do you have an information source?
 

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You are joking, right?
"I don't want the image to pass through such a corrupted storage device such as the SSD in its old age. I don't want the pixels to be "changed" "

This is a joke, correct?

You're the one putting out the claim. What leads you to believe that such a file would be more likely to become 'corrupted' if on an SSD vs an HDD.
Please....do tell.
 

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I'm not joking, remember I said above the following about read/write corruptivity of SSDs:

>Bit errors: Random, incorrectly written bits of data
>Flying writes: Writes that were correctly written, but end up in the wrong location
>Shorn writes: Writes that are below the expected size, due to the power failure
>Metadata corruption: Corruption to the Flash Translation Layer (FTL) that sits between the SSD hardware and the operating system
>Bricked device: Self explanatory
>Unserializability: The storage blocks that are written are not written in the proper operation order

The images I acquire from the internet are whatever I get. But once I get it, I will preserve it best now.

Sure temp. is on the SSD, but are you sure the computer isn't making a copy of the image in RAM go to a storage device which keeps data when power is turned off? (RAM erases once power is off)
 

USAFRet

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If it worries you that much, there is a simple solution.
Don't use an SSD.


"Sure temp. is on the SSD, but are you sure the computer isn't making a copy of the image in RAM go to a storage device which keeps data when power is turned off? (RAM erases once power is off) "

What does this even mean?
Yes, eventually it goes to 'a' storage device. Whatever you tell it to go to.

But since you won't be using an SSD, no worries, right? It will just get written to the temp file/folder on the HDD<and then the final resting place (folder) on the HDD.
 

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I was asking if the temp is all in the RAM, it is even faster than SSD, why doesn't it go there then to selected storage? And what if I can change the temp. folder location? Headache alert oh no.
 

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Windows (and most other OS's) has a temp folder location. Random stuff ends up there, for faster retrieval other than getting it off the intertubes again.

There is only so much you can store in RAM.

Now...what is your real concern?