Looking for assurance/advice concerning 'workstation' Mobos, and memory.

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So my dad is undertaking a computer building project, because he wants to try something newer than his ancient Phenom II AMD chip for video editing, entry programming, and 3d modeling. They are all hobby ventures an are unlikely to be big budget professional work. I however do acknowledge that his Phenom II quad core is bottlenecking the graphics card of his "gtx 770" and it would definitely do wonders to switch to a more modern 6 core when rendering his video editing. Which pretty much can be summed up to the occasional 30min vid. from his go pro.

We pretty much agree on the cpu but from there there's a disagreement (although I suspect my 4 core would be more than capable satisfying him):He wants a "kickass computer". And, he feels because I cannot name what DDR4 means off the top of my head, that not much of my input is valid.
WilluDesign video
I followed this guys advice because he actually explained his reasoning in detail, instead of just pushing a product.

Linus Tech Tips video
He bases his build of off Linus here. Right of the bat he ordered the parts straight of this video (as if they were pieces to a puzzle that cannot be tweaked, based on what's currently on the market, and what's a better buy. Anyhow, he winds up returning everything thing after some sour deals with refurbished items and agreed to follow my advice about getting more modern and easy to find pc parts. However he is so rigid about the brand name of MOBO, he thinks ASUS/ASRock naming theme "WS" means its actually meant for workstations and doesn't realize that it could just be a naming scheme for THOSE particular brands.

Anyways here are 2 lists of the parts we disagree on are here.

Dads CPU, MOBO, & Memory

My Choices

Yes it's slightly less. But I figured his only concern really is overclocking (which I'd like to watch for myself). He's not running multiple graphics cards and if so I doubt he would run 5 of them. He's installing 64 GBs or ram, but from what I saw with video editing. The huge amount of ram is to do with the computers ability to access and manipulate the whole project quicker and I doubt his videos would push more than 20gbs (over all his system wouldn't go much over 4-6gbs). He is concerned with memory performance, however I've read that it boils down to CAS latency, and frequency is often a byproduct (not to mention performance increases are somewhat mediocre). Not to mention, less memory slots is better if you're not running maximum memory, even he's adamant about his 64 GBs of ram, he could just get 4x16gb kit instead of 8x8... and get better performance.

Both boards have the basics:

Raid capability, Overclockable, and supports 6 core processor. Nothing fancy here, not fancy additions aside from a possible wireless card and a sound card.

Am I wrong with my logic here, what am I not seeing here?




 
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All that you mention above, I do on a 4 year old i5-3570k, with 16GB RAM. All of it.

3D design (Rhino3D), VM's (VirtualBox), programming (lots, its my job), photo work (Lightroom, extensively), video editing (Corel VideoStudio), etc, etc, etc.

Right now, I'm printing a custom 3D snowflake xmas ornament for one of my grandkids.

Take that $5k budget and cut it in half.

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All in all he's been given a budget of 5k... he's not really set one (Its usually step 1 for designing something).

Never mind he wants a i7- 5960x (GTX 770 video card) instead of a 6 core i7 for the aforementioned stuff. He wants the same board...
Mainly as a hobby... he doesn't want something that underperforms basically, runs smoothly with these things:

He could use it for a server.
He could use it for working with virtual machines.
He will be doing programming for sure (but that's for the most part not that intensive).
He could be using 3d CAD.
And he will be video editing. (why he want's a raid 10 setup). 6 4tb hardrives and a an SSD.

He finally turned from 64 GBs of ram to 32 GBs as I suggested for a 1000W power supply, 3 screens (last one is about a $400 dollar screen).
When it comes to USB cables, he's not running much more than what's on the panels. so... 10-12 tops (and that's generous, mainly charging the camera, mouse, keyboard)... that sort of thing.
He got most of his things already... Harddrives, fans, etc... but had to send some of it back due to refurbished parts complication.

My criticisms are this:

He want something futureproof with 8 cores: Most apps, aside from a handful of games and video editing & rendering software don't use more than 4 cores effectively (which is why quad cores are so popular particular i5, since single thread can be very important). The single cores performance of i8's can go outdated slightly faster than quadcores and a 6 core should be a healthy medium (and the performance change should be barely noticeable).

He already has an 860 watt power supply. But in his eyes more is better, I say it doesn't hurt but it's a waste of money.




 

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All that you mention above, I do on a 4 year old i5-3570k, with 16GB RAM. All of it.

3D design (Rhino3D), VM's (VirtualBox), programming (lots, its my job), photo work (Lightroom, extensively), video editing (Corel VideoStudio), etc, etc, etc.

Right now, I'm printing a custom 3D snowflake xmas ornament for one of my grandkids.

Take that $5k budget and cut it in half.
 
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'grownups' ? hmm...I are one o those...lol

Blender? In the past, but about to start again with this new 3D printer, and now that the interface is not so borked up.
 

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Blender's come a long way. I used to ise Caligari before it became defunct/obsolete, so anything they do wjth blenders interface will always be faintly borked up XD.

Im technically a grown up too I guess, he's going through his second childhood (probably about the same age as you since you have granchildren) :D. And, I guess I grew up loving shopping, pinching pennies and designing stuff. If there was any money in building random pcs with random parts. I could spend my life researching and building.

Have a fun Xmas with your granchildren BTW. Thanks for your help.
 

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