Sharing network(Bandwith) with other 5 people.

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Adeelar

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Hello guys! I'm here because i have kinda become over saturated with information.

My case is: My family which in total we are 6, are sharing the network. Since we cannot upgrade our isp because our parents decisions we have to live with 20 mb. Which isn't bad but neither good. I use to play on the PC but when someone in my family plays a video on Youtube or uses other stream services it makes raise my ping to a moment that I'm not able to play any online games anymore, also I do never stream or anything like in other cases therefore I where wondering which router would allow me to regulate the bandwidth of each device? or a good QoS that would allow me to play without this ping raises?

Greetings! Adeelar.
 
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Not sure on the QoS on those routers. The problem is you can not actually run QoS on download. The ISP is in full control. If they decide to discard your game traffic and send something else your router can not fix that problem after it receives the data. The method that is used that partially works is to actually discard traffic you actually recevied from the ISP. You try to trick the end device into requesting less. This is not actually QoS it is part of the error recovery in the TCP window size algorithm. Unfortunately the end client always tries to get more, it is hoping that the bottleneck went away which it does not since you have artificially imposed it.

This is not really something that you can just click a few boxes...
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Adeelar

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My router is an D-link DIR-842, which has really simple QoS. I can only order the PC and such from high to medium but nothing else, even though I have my PC as highest when they start streaming a serie or YouTube my connection becomes unstable. I have been thinking even to install dd-wrt but my router isn't compatible and I'm considering to install netlimiter to everyone in the house.
 
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DO you connect through wifi? It is best to connect through ethernet for a far better connection speed, and better qos service. You can also try to split the connections if you can only connect through wifi, put yourself in the 2.4 or 5 ghz band, and the rest in the other one.
If all are on the same band they simply interfere your traffic, so the qos doesn't help as there is only 1 device transmitting all traffic.
 
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Adeelar

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I will try more, so far there is two PC at 5 GHz which are the ones use for gaming and the rest is at the 2,4 GHz one. I know my router isn't that bad but what would be your though about the netgear r7000? Would it be of help in my case? And beside using netlimiter isn't an integrate option in the router to limit their bandwidth? Even if it not might the solution.


 
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bill001g

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If you are going to buy a new router look for something that will support third party firmware like dd-wrt. This will then give you more options if the QoS is not good enough in the base software. I do not think your current router is on the supported list for any of the third party firmware

Still it is going to be hard to get a QoS configuration that will be acceptable to everyone. You can do simpler stuff like limit each persons mac/ip to say 3m to divide up the 20m. That would likely be fine for people who run games but painful for video watching. It is a hard limit the person would still have 3m limit even though no one else was using the connection.

There is no simple way to allow this to dynamically change so you can for example use part of someone else reserved bandwidth if they are not using it. There are QoS configurations that do things like min and max bandwidths but they tend to not work well when you are trying to limit things to the very low rates you are talking about. To tune stuff like this you must have a strong knowledge of a very complex topic called burst rates. Most the GUI things even in advanced routers do not let you even set these types of parameters.
 
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Adeelar

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Yes i will need to take a look into it but so far and budget routers which are compatible and give those options should be: D-Link DIR-859 or Netgear Nighthawk AC1900 as long as its under 150$ i wouldn't mind to pay it. Those two routers are compatible with dd-wrt. and as far as I'm concer i think they have pretty good QoS.

Thanks for you answer!
 
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bill001g

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Not sure on the QoS on those routers. The problem is you can not actually run QoS on download. The ISP is in full control. If they decide to discard your game traffic and send something else your router can not fix that problem after it receives the data. The method that is used that partially works is to actually discard traffic you actually recevied from the ISP. You try to trick the end device into requesting less. This is not actually QoS it is part of the error recovery in the TCP window size algorithm. Unfortunately the end client always tries to get more, it is hoping that the bottleneck went away which it does not since you have artificially imposed it.

This is not really something that you can just click a few boxes and it gets configured, you are going to have to spend quite a bit of time setting it up and testing. The big problem is some application refuse to be throttled. Things like bit torrent just keep trying and trying. So the end client may not receive the data but your router will still eating the bandwidth.

It depends on what your wireless needs are. Those routers assume you can run 3 overlapping streams which means your end devices must have 3 antenna.

Normally I do not recommends a particular router. In this case I will break my rule and hope I do not get burned again by the manufacture changing the hardware. The Asus rt-ac56u is only a 1200 router (ie 2 antenna) but you can get it for about $100 and there is a rebate from some places that will drop it another $20. At least at this moment amazon is selling it for $89 with a $20 rebate cutting it to $69.

Mostly the reason I like this and other asus routers like this is they have much more memory than other routers which make it much more flexible in running third party firmware. There is also a somewhat simpler third party firmware caller asuswrt-merlin but it also can load the largest dd-wrt image also as well as a number of other third party firmware.
 
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Adeelar

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Great information you give it here! I will consider to close the thread already! but please could we speak in private? there are few questions I would like to get answered, I hope you don't mind to share 5 min of your time with me!

Thanks everybody for the support!
 
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