Compatibility for a budget gaming pc build advice

Velocirosie

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I'm looking to put together my first pc, and was hoping to get a little advice on the components I have picked out so far. Trying to keep this a pretty budget-friendly gaming setup. If there are any inconsistencies with pairing up these components, I could sure use the advice.

Intel Core i5 6600K 3.90 GHz Quad Core Skylake Desktop Processor, Socket LGA 1151, 6MB Cache (BX80662I56600K)

ASUS ATX DDR4 LGA 1151 Motherboards Z170-E

EVGA GeForce GTX 950 DirectX 12 02G-P4-1953-KR 2GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 SLI Support Video Card

EVGA 700 B1, 80+ BRONZE 700W, 3 Year Warranty, Includes FREE Power On Self Tester, Power Supply 100-B1-0700-K1
 
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GraySilencer

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They are compatible, but I'd say they are somewhat unbalanced. What's the maximum budget and do you need Windows?
 

FD2Raptor

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Another thing to note, is that you didn't list a CPU cooler which a 6600K will require.

The PSU is of lower quality and more wattage than any system with that specifics configuration would ever need.
The Seasonic SSR550-RM 550W 80+Gold Semi-Modular ($59.99, with $15 rebate bringing the price down to $44.99) will provide all the power needed for a single CPU/GPU out there.
 

Velocirosie

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That's my main concern, as I can pretty well look up whether or not things are technically compatible, I don't necessarily know if one item lags behind as far as being balanced, or another is more than I need (or will see the benefit of). I am trying to keep it around $800 or less if I can, and I will of course need a few more things mixed in there, windows included.
 

Velocirosie

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I do need to choose a CPU cooler, but I'm mostly concerned with the main components here being a good match. Like that PSU, I'm not very familiar with brand names on some of the components, and don't know who makes better quality. I just went with that one because it was compatible, I recognized the brand, and the price was cheap enough, etc. despite being 700W, which is a little excessive, I thought.
 

GraySilencer

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For that budget, I would go with this build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($197.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: *MSI Z170-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($82.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($45.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: *Toshiba 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.77 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: *PowerColor Radeon RX 470 4GB Red Devil Video Card ($189.98 @ Newegg)
Case: *DIYPC D480-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.96 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($84.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $748.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-06 01:47 EDT-0400

* Dropped the CPU to a i5-6500 and it already comes with a "stock cooler"
* You can stick with a Z170 Motherboard for future upgrades
* Went with a RX 470 video card. Better support for future DirectX 12 titles and faster than the GTX 950
* The Seasonic SSR550-RM Power Supply, like FD2Raptor mentioned is what I would also recommend at this time
* Chose a case with plenty of space, great looks and great airflow
* Currently as I post this, the Base Total is $787.46 before rebates
 

FD2Raptor

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For ~$800 with Windows:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($197.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus B150 PRO GAMING/AURA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($71.15 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($66.54 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Corsair Force LE 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.89 @ Directron)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Windforce OC Video Card ($204.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($85.70 @ My Choice Software)
Total: $826.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-06 01:36 EDT-0400

The ASUS board is having a rebate ($30) promos with a 15% off promo code (expires by 9th Oct) down from its usual price of $119.
Rebate promos on:
Seasonic SSR550-RM : $15 expires on 6th Oct;
Corsair SPEC-01 : $10 expires on 11th Oct.
Gigabyte GTX 1060WF2OC 3G : $10 expires on 31st Oct;

To have and utilize the 6600k:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($240.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAXX 400 74.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($110.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($66.54 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Corsair Force LE 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.89 @ Directron)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Windforce OC Video Card ($204.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define S ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($85.70 @ My Choice Software)
Total: $929.04
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-06 01:40 EDT-0400

Combo buy with the 6600k+Z170 Pro4 : -$14.99 (or effectively the cost of the cooler GAMMAX 400 after rebate)
Rebate promos:
Deepcool Gammax 400 : $10 expires on 10th Oct.
ASROCK Z170 Pro4 : $10 expires on 31st Oct;

Changing to Z170 board to provide OC to the 6600k, changing to the Define S case to support decent CPU cooler (limited offer, 25% down from MSRP; version with a window does not have such mark down and therefore is ~$40 more; a different option is the Phanteks Eclipse P400 ~ $69.99 @ Newegg).
 

Velocirosie

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Awesome, I really appreciate the insight on this stuff from you guys. I don't have enough knowledge yet to go it alone :p

So here's my question now, in your opinions, at this level is it worth it to go over budget a bit to accommodate the better CPU for future upgrades, or will I be replacing the 6600 just as quickly as the 6500? I'd like this setup to last a few years as is, if I can manage to.
 

GraySilencer

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The i5-6600K is usually better paired with a higher-end video card like the GTX 1070. You would have to invest in a good aftermarket cooler to overclock it. The i5-6500 will be fine if you don't want to overclock, but overclocking isn't free performance. You have to pay a premium for an overclocking processor, and then $35-$50 more for a decent cooler to go with it. However, overclocking will allow you to use the processor for a longer time before upgrading so it may be worth it to you.

Here's the build with the i5-6600K:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: *MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($45.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: *Toshiba 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.77 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: *PowerColor Radeon RX 470 4GB Red Devil Video Card ($189.98 @ Newegg)
Case: *DIYPC D480-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.96 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($84.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $820.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-06 17:23 EDT-0400


Here's the build with the i5-6600K and a SSD drive. Having a SSD will boot Windows faster and reduce loading times for games that are installed on it.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: *MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($45.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($67.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: *Toshiba 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.77 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: *PowerColor Radeon RX 470 4GB Red Devil Video Card ($189.98 @ Newegg)
Case: *DIYPC D480-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.96 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($84.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $888.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-06 17:29 EDT-0400



 

FD2Raptor

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In term of investment, the best long term investment to get is the CPU+MB.

With CPU, there being a meager 5-8% improvement over generations making an investment in CPU performance to be one that would see the lowest depreciation over time i.e. the best performance investment.

MB as no major change to the mainstream market is expected for at least a few years, XPoint or PCIe4.0 is still off in a relatively distant future and there's no major revision to USB/SATA to be expected soon (if the Type-C connector adoption suddenly take off then there may be something). The 100 Series chipset on these Skylake MB are expected to be at least BIOS updated to be compatible with the next LGA1151 socket CPU, the Kaby Lake so that's at least another few years before it become potentially unable to support the latest and greatest (and then Cannon Lake would still be LGA1151, just not that certain that MB manufacturers would still be updating the BIOS of their at that time ~5 years old products; and with overclocking, you can have your Skylake CPU keep up with the mainstream CPU pick of 5 years on) pairing that with the fact that you'd need to remove nearly all components to replace your MB and the fact that a cheaper OEM Windows license is tied to the MB meaning changing it later on would invalidate the license and incur further cost and very often it would also mean re-installing the OS itself making it an important component worth paying to get right (what you want and need) from the beginning. i.e. best upgradability investment.

A Z170 board investment also representing overclockable CPU as well as higher performance memory that can help gaming performance:
http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1570
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-core-i3-6100-review

Next two on the best to invest list are the PSU and case: good PSU last longer than the build itself and unless newer components come out and require special fitting, cases never become outdated (beyond your own aesthetic preferences of course). They have little effect on performance (except for cases that have poor cooling support i.e. few chassis fans/ fan mounts, limiting CPU cooler height which would directly affect cooling capabilities and therefore indirectly affect performance) though, so on a budget, it's best to pick the just enough rather than best-in-class (and for single CPU/GPU, a good 550W PSU is more than enough).

Video cards however doesn't work as well as CPU/MB as a long term investment since this gen Pascal/Polaris cards are the initial jump to the new manufacturing nodes of 16/14nm; the next gen is guaranteed to deliver improvement/optimization on the node together with the potential development on the software end of DirectX 12 / Vulkan (or hardware end with High Bandwidth Memory 2 to replace the aged GDDR5 / 5X) plus Virtual Reality / Augmented Reality and changes could potentially happens in the ~3 years period to make your investment go south pretty quick. A good GPU would still provide good fps for sometime, but it definitely gonna require lower settings if you're talking about ~3 years on, especially at this investment tier (and the next tier is currently ~$180 more).


And no, you do not need to invest too heavily in an CPU cooler, the GAMMAX 400 is a Toms Hardware Editor Choice cooler with solid performance and can totally punch above its price weight class:

Cooling an overclocked 6-cores Hyper Threading i7-5930k to 4.2Ghz:
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Cooling an BLCK overclocked Quad-cores Hyper Threading Xeon E3-1230 v5 to 4.5Ghz (the Q1 2016/OC 2016 on the chart):
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And personally, I wouldn't go lower than the Pro4 with its VRM equiped with heatsink and 10 power phases if I were to pick a CPU overclocking build. MSI boards also appears to have issues with pushing the right power to its CPU (in the reviews of their Z170 boards [and it's also a prime suspect in a recent review of a MSI H110 here on Toms regarding its CPU performance/temperature numbers]).


But you know.... Prices fluctuate... Deals end...
The Define S is already back to its usual $79.99+9.99Shiping.
The Seasonic SSR550-RM sales will end ~1-2 hours from this post.
 

Velocirosie

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This is excellent advice, it helps to have someone directly addressing the specifics I need to be looking at for my personal preferences, as far as what I want my machine to do. Basically I need to decide if I want to spend a little more and get a little more longevity out of the initial components, as I do foresee not really doing any major upgrades for awhile. I try not to be too swayed by what's on sale, as, like you said, prices are constantly changing and sales come and go, but I want to use these components for a couple years at least. I can also save some money on a case, as I have an old (oooooold) spare sitting around; it's definitely outdated. It does still have two fans installed, but considering that my last build (put together by my brother about ten years ago) started overheating, I don't have a lot of confidence in the airflow of that case anymore. Maybe that's misplaced, but, it does seem like a stuffy case, just from looking at it.

I've got some thinking to do, but I'm a lot more confident in making my decisions now, I'll probaby run my final set by this forum again before I blow half a paycheck on it, and then hopefully I can come back and show off my first build that I did myself : D
 

Velocirosie

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So here is my current list (did not know you could link the pcpartpicker lists in forum posts until I saw you guys doing it), and I have decided that for now, I'm not concerned with overclocking, and getting by with the i5 6500 is probably just fine for me, but since I do want to be gaming here, I want to be careful what I pick for my GPU. What GPU would run best on this setup? I'm still fond of the Asus MBs, and I see the quality difference now in PSU. I also really liked that case that was referenced (although I like the white one).

My main source of confusion right now is VRam. How much do I really need? I don't have a lot of references for games I'm going to want to be playing on it, as most in my library currently aren't that demanding. But for example, I'd like to be running a game like skyrim on higher settings, and I'd like to be able to get by nicely in fallout4.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($197.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-E ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($103.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Toshiba 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.77 @ OutletPC)
Case: DIYPC D480-W ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($76.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($84.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $644.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-08 17:07 EDT-0400

I know I'm super demanding, but I definitely appreciate having more eyes/opinions on this decision and getting knowledgeable advice from others
 

GraySilencer

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Personally I'd go with 4GB of VRAM or more. IMO the 3 GB GTX 1060 is already not nearly enough in some titles already. I would recommend a 8GB RX 470 or 6GB GTX 1060, they seem to have the best price/performance ratio at the moment. I made the list parametric for the RAM and power supply since prices can change daily. Just want to make sure you get the best deal.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($197.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-E ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($103.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($66.54 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Toshiba 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.77 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 470 8GB NITRO+ Video Card ($236.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: DIYPC D480-W ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *EVGA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($84.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $856.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-08 21:37 EDT-0400
 
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Velocirosie

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I hadn't actually seen that graphics card in all my browsing (goes to show how hard it is to take in all the options), but at 8GB ram for about the same price as some of the 6GB 1060's, what's the drawback? I don't know anything about the brand that houses the radeon card.
 

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I highly recommend Sapphire as #1 when considering a Radeon GPU. I have used them before with no problems, but I had problems with some other brands that make Radeon cards.
The Sapphire 8GB RX 470 has:

* A backplate to keep temps low and the card PCB straight
* Has the edge in DX12
* More VRAM than any GTX 1060
* Crossfire Support
* Vulcan Support
* Freesync Support
* Comes with a high quality dual fan cooling solution with heatpipes
* Very close to the RX 480 in terms of performance
* Highly overclocked memory - even faster than the standard Sapphire 4GB RX 480

The only drawbacks I consider is that it is slower than the 6GB GTX 1060, mostly in DX11 games. Some games should be faster - like Doom because of Vulcan.

The GTX 1060:

* Has the edge in DX11
* Less Power Consumption
* Gsync support
* No SLI support
* Low-End Models usually only have one loud fan and no heatpipes. Most don't even have a backplate either - so you'll have to spend more for a high quality model with two fans, heatpipes, and a backplate.
 

Velocirosie

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Thank you so much! My current monitor doesn't support Gsync or freesync anyway, so that doesn't really concern me yet, but it's something I wouldn't have thought about when I do go monitor shopping in the near future. So as far as going forward, and making the card last longer for me, the RX 470 looks like my best bet. One last look at sales and pricing and I think I'm ready to pull the trigger on this. Hopefully when I come back I'll have a new gaming pc to show off!
 

Velocirosie

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I didn't want to make a whole new thread just to show off the finished product, so here it is! I'm very happy with it, and conveniently, there were no startup issues, and it is currently cheerfully updating windows. I wanted the white version of this case, but wasn't crazy about the window panel, so I made the most of it with a decal XD

Thanks to everyone who helped me!

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edit: yikes, gigantic image was gigantic, sorry about that, shrank it some more
 

GraySilencer

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That's great! Looks awesome. Great job man! Enjoy your new build.