Gtx 1060 or Rx 470 for VR?

PHIL528 · Oct 6, 2016

Originally I was going for the 950 or Rx460, but people convinced me to go for at least a 1060.

I noticed the 1060 is 200$, and then noticed the Rx 470 for 200$.

I checked the passmark of the 1060 which scored a 9175, and the Rx 470 has a score of 7398.

I know the score of the 1060 is higher but I hear rumors that you cannot judge a card based off of its scores sometimes.

So the 1060 has a performance edge over the Rx 470 supposedly, but the Rx 470 has an extra gigabyte of RAM, having 4gb rather than 3gb.

For some reason I feel like if people played with 2gb for one screen, than a second screen would need 4gb, and now each screen only gets 1.5gb with the 1060, whereas each have 2gb with the 470.

So has more raw performance but one has more memory, and this is tripping me up.

Maybe the 1060 does not require so much memory due to pascal but then I note that AMD allows more control over their cards and allows more lenient crossfire options and then I think that that might not matter because VR does not heavily use SLI or crossfire and then I think what if they implement it. Then I remember that GeForce is a software experience rather than AMD but then I think maybe thats just marketing creating false memories.

Does anyone know if I should go with nvidia or amd xd?
I am considering raw performance, vram, pascal, and just the fact that I hear amd has more options and that nvidia is a better software.

So far the pascal (and slightly higher raw passmark score) really makes me want to choose nvidia but that extra gb of vram makes me want to choose amd. Does amd have their own vr drivers similar to pascal?

hdmark · Oct 6, 2016

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?N=100007709%20601210955%20600358543&IsNodeId=1&Submit=ENE

little bit more but 6gb 1060

problem solved ... kinda (or made it worse)

13thmonkey · Oct 6, 2016

how many screens are you gaming on? running windows on a display takes perhaps 50Mb of vram, gaming is where the vram usage occurs. I can't see that you'll be gaming on two screens (three yes but not two), then you'll have all of the vram (less a little) for the main screen.

if you had 3 screens then as most of the vram is taken with textures and they all use the same textures, then again simply tripling the requirement for a single screen doesn't work either.

the 1060 is the more powerful card, vram is more of a marketing gimmick.

the_nephilim_dominant · Oct 6, 2016

Hi
the rx 470 is 30% more powerful than gtx 1060.

the_nephilim_dominant · Oct 6, 2016

Rx 470 is More stable more framerates and less framedrops in games and computing.
Also i remind you gtx 1060 is intesively highly clocked weak gpu.like a small weak car with big tires.

13thmonkey · Oct 6, 2016

In what world? Can't find 470 Vs 1060, but a 1060 easily beats a 480.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1749?vs=1771

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-radeon-rx-470,review-33625-4.html

13thmonkey · Oct 6, 2016

the_nephilim_dominant :

Any evidence?

chemmajorp53 · Oct 6, 2016

13thmonkey :

Maybe for ethereum mining? LMAO, just trying to find something that the 470 is better at. Not sure where he got that number.

the_nephilim_dominant · Oct 6, 2016

Never dude it is ridiculous thing i am hearing. I am telling you by real expriment.and to tell you you will regret buying gtx1060 but it is obvious people never agree things until they expriment it.the gtx 1060 is not match for rx 470.

chemmajorp53 · Oct 6, 2016

the_nephilim_dominant :

Prove it, every single thing I've ever read points to you straight up pulling that out of your ass.

13thmonkey · Oct 6, 2016

it's about 40% faster, find me an article, anything reputable to substantiate your claims (youtube doesn't count).

the_nephilim_dominant · Oct 6, 2016

The scores and benchmark and this tempting things are all false. Just look at specs of the cards.for instance rx 470 vs gtx 1060
256 bit vs 192 bit
2048 shadimg units 1280 shading units
Only gtx 1060 is highly overclocked to reach the the same framerates of rx 470 in some games. But it is not stable as rx 470 and the the sluttering will occour more in gtx 1060. I can show various false benches To demonstrate a false bench
Look at this in above in computing bar gtx 950 have score more than gtx 960

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-960-vs-GeForce-GTX-950

chemmajorp53 · Oct 6, 2016

:Facepalm: The stupidity of some people on this website never ceases to amaze me

PHIL528 · Oct 6, 2016

hdmark :

13thmonkey :

By the way, so in terms of just benchmarks for real world applications (games) I do see that the 1060 beats the 460, but why does SteamVR label the 460 as "VR capable" and the 480 as "VR ready" ?

Does the test actually reflect performance or expected performance based off of name?

the_nephilim_dominant · Oct 6, 2016

the thing is maybe in some games gtx1060 beat rx 470 beacause it has higher clock speed.but overall performance rx 470 is better.Listen bro buy gtx 1060 and then cry and then buy 470. It is inevitable thing that you must test it yourself.

13thmonkey · Oct 6, 2016

Look at what cpuboss says: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Pentium-G4400-vs-Intel-Core-i7-5960X a G4400 is better than a 5960X, think not, they aren;t really benchmarks now are they, just an engine pulling data and failing to use it properly. you've seen your PM I take it, I'm still waiting for the evidence?

As to your points above.

Nvidia has better compression so doesn't need as much bandwidth, if this was a problem it would show in the benchmarks
The shader units are fundamentally different between nvidia and amd, like comparing a 1000litre steam engine to a 2l petrol engine
Again the architecture clocks differently, see the steam vs petrol example above, the petrol engine revs more than the steam, does that make it worse?

13thmonkey · Oct 6, 2016

PHIL528 :

hdmark :

13thmonkey :

By the way, so in terms of just benchmarks for real world applications (games) I do see that the 1060 beats the 460, but why does SteamVR label the 460 as "VR capable" and the 480 as "VR ready" ?

Does the test actually reflect performance or expected performance based off of name?

It may be fast enough for a VR experience (ready) vs fast enough for a good experience (capable). I've just run it on my 970, and it's just into the highest rating.

the_nephilim_dominant · Oct 6, 2016

Dude those benchs are max framerates.maby someweher in games with lower details it beats the rx 470 and the max framerate in bench is higher but you will observe much more sluttering in gtx 1060 vs in rx 470 because rx470 is more powerful than gtx 1060. Also this clour compression thing is only something not trur. Because the samething nvidua claimed in gtx 960 128 bit. Witch i tested against old amd hd 7850. in various games the hd 7850 memory very outperform gtx 960 is noticeable in mortal kombat x in witcher 3 where videos are showing in prologue or where you win a stage too match slutter i gtx 960 while same place in game with hd 7850 run very fluently.because hd 7850 is 256 bit.

13thmonkey · Oct 6, 2016

the_nephilim_dominant :

We've no problem with discussion, and education, but you need to back it up with proof, so go and find some and then come back when you find a reputable site that says that the 1060 performs worse than the 470 in most situations (as that is what you are claiming). Or buy a 1060, and do the benchmarks yourself, and show us where the differences are. Until you provide that proof, please don't keep posting things that are blatantly disproven by every single review site that I am aware of.

13thmonkey · Oct 7, 2016

the_nephilim_dominant :

On the toms link above both min and avg frame rates are displayed, the anandtech link has both min and avg frame rates. The toms link also has frametime variance (i.e. stutter). So again evidence please, not just rhetoric.

hdmark · Oct 7, 2016

if you can afford it, get the 1060 6gb. you will not regret it

SammChisnall · Oct 7, 2016

@the_nephilim_dominant The 1060 and the RX480 are close at performance standards with the 480 winning by a mile in Vulkan enabled games and the 1060 winning by a mile in DX11 games, in DX12 they are both within 3-5 fps of eachother. The RX470 is the weaker little brother of the RX480 so how will it keep up with a GTX 1060?

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