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SilentDom11

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Hello everyone,

I'm new to this forum, but I'm hoping to get some great help. I've visited this website many time for advice from other experiences and now I'm hoping to get some feedback from an experience of my own.

I've put together a list of parts that I think will make a great PC for my needs but I'm hoping someone with more experience than me can give me some advice on better part suggestions and/or modifications to my current list.

Please see below, and thank you in advance for all the great advice I'm sure to get.
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LINK>> Pending PC Build <<LINK

Approximate Purchase Date: Within the next 4 months

Budget Range: $1,200.00 (not including monitor or peripherals)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Streaming movies and games alternatively.

Are you buying a monitor: NO

Parts to Upgrade: Looking to find cheaper alternatives to the parts in the list below. The parts within the list are my non-conclusive choices to the build that i will be making within the next several months.

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: May consider buying locally, online website would be dependant of my country availability. (Canada)

Location: Welland, Ontario, Canada.

Parts Preferences: See list of parts in link below for my as of yet preferences. I can be persuaded otherwise.

Overclocking: Maybe, I am not knowledgable in this subject.

SLI or Crossfire: No idea

Your Monitor Resolution: Samsung 52" TV

Additional Comments: I would like to play Fallout4 on this PC, my spouse and I run Netflix and Kodi very frequently. Hoping to get a PC relatively quiet and at a decent price.

LINK>> Pending PC Build <<LINK
 
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cilliers
Remember that we are trying to help the OP with a build tailored for his specific needs. Here's what neblogai was talking about.
The OP misread my build proposition in incorrectly understanding that I recommend 16GB of RAM for Fallout 4. I recommended the game's original release date amount, which was 8GB. Everybody just latched onto that for some reason and an unnecessary argument started. Study the original proposed build again and you will see what I mean.

I have personally experienced the same phenomenon with Fallout 4: Where clocking RAM from 2133 to 3000 gave 10fps more in heavy scenes like the Corvega Assembly Plant. This contradicts what is generally true about RAM speeds in games, yes, but in this very instance it is very...
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Okay so a few things. For gaming this system is really setup so well. With gaming, you dont need that powerful of a cpu, and want to have a much more powerful gpu. You are also going to want 16gb of ram, as games and a few chrome tabs will eat up 8gb quickly. I Also switched out the psu, as the nex series isnt that great. So This system turned out to be a little bit more than your list, and if you wanted to get down to the $1200 mark, I would say drop the overclocking for now, and go with a 6600 non "k" and a cheaper motherboard around the $100CAD range.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($305.75 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: *Cooler Master Hyper T2 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-E ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($159.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($102.98 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow UV400 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.98 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.94 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING Video Card ($329.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($108.98 @ DirectCanada)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($22.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($112.98 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $1396.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-15 21:26 EDT-0400
 
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I've tweaked it until it cannot be tweaked anymore:
I've upgraded you to the z170 platform and added a skylake CPU, which will allow you decent gaming for Fallout 4. It doesn't allow for overclocking, but I have a feeling that overclocking is not one of your requirements.
I've added 8GB which is recommended for fallout 4. I've gone with DDR4 3200 Mhz, because of the drastic impact that faster RAM has been known to have on fps in Fallout 4. ref: http://wccftech.com/fallout-4-performance-heavily-influenced-by-ram-speed-according-to-report/
I kept your SSD suggestion, but replaced the HDD with a more economical option.
I've added the beastly GTX 1070 for your gaming pleasure. Fallout 4 wouldn't have been much fun on a GTX 750 Ti. Don't know what you were thinking there.
I've replaced your chassis choice with a more economical, yet aesthetically pleasing option and selected a more suitable power supply unit for your system requirement.
I've added a Bluray reader/writer, based on the fact that this will double as a HTPC.
And of course kept your Windows 10.
And this monster PC is only $30 CAD more expensive than your original post.

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/vBf4gL
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/vBf4gL/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($254.98 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper T2 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4S ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($100.00 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($62.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow UV400 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.98 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($528.98 @ DirectCanada)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($67.50 @ Vuugo)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($112.98 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $1392.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-15 21:36 EDT-0400
 
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Ethanh100,

Thank you very much for your suggestions and advice. I agree with you with downgrading the CPU, even i thought initially that an i7 may have been little overkill. And your suggestion to switch out the power supply is exactly why i posted this question here, feedback on parts experience is always great!

Any idea how this build would perform with streaming video and watching HD movies as well?

Regards.
 
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cilliers,

As the true canadian i am, i must thank you for your part suggestions. lol
Youre right that overclocking isnt really an important feature for me. I was not aware of the requirement for 16GB of RAM for fallout.
The idea behind having an HDD and SSd is to have my programs run off the SSD.
My Video Card choice was purely due to my friend having it installed in his PC, he didnt seem to have an issues with it.
For $30.00 more, it's a great build! Thanks :)

Regards.
 
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Fallout4 is a game that enjoys fast RAM more than any other game, so suggestion to use DDR4-3200 Memory ram was very good. 16GB of it are not required just for the game, but this is a reasonable amount for a PC like this.
 
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You are wrong here- please do some research. Not all games can benefit a lot from faster ram, but some- like GTAV, Witcher3 get a healthy bonus to fps, and Fallout4 benefits a lot (up to +50% in some powerful configurations like 980Ti SLI). Price difference for faster memory is usually small, so it is wise to get fastest compatible RAM.
 
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Sorry but thats just not true. You can look up benchmarks for something like 1333mhz vs 2400mhz, and in games that may benefit from faster ram, you are getting 2-3 fps, GTA 5, no improvement, fallout, if it really needs faster ram, you will see maybe 2fps increase. Go ahead and run the benchmarks yourself, underclock your ram and see that there will be no difference, that is unless you are using a iGPU. There is no way that you can get +50%, just from faster ram. Not sure where you are getting these numbers but you clearly need to do some research.
 
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There will be no improvement if system is bottlenecked by weak CPU. However, here- I made a simple google search for you: i7 4770 DDR3 1333 to DDR3 2400: improvement from 72 to 106 fps, which is +47%. I have seen similar tests for DDR4, with the same nice benefit- just do not have the link right now. DDR3 link: http://www.techspot.com/review/1089-fallout-4-benchmarks/page6.html
 
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Remember that we are trying to help the OP with a build tailored for his specific needs. Here's what neblogai was talking about.
The OP misread my build proposition in incorrectly understanding that I recommend 16GB of RAM for Fallout 4. I recommended the game's original release date amount, which was 8GB. Everybody just latched onto that for some reason and an unnecessary argument started. Study the original proposed build again and you will see what I mean.

I have personally experienced the same phenomenon with Fallout 4: Where clocking RAM from 2133 to 3000 gave 10fps more in heavy scenes like the Corvega Assembly Plant. This contradicts what is generally true about RAM speeds in games, yes, but in this very instance it is very true. Ref: http://wccftech.com/fallout-4-performance-heavily-influenced-by-ram-speed-according-to-report/

Lets remember that we are trying to help someone with a build. Not bicker about RAM speeds or who is right about what. It certainly should not be about opinions or egos either. Besides, you cannot argue a fact, unless you are able to disprove that very same fact with new evidence, so it is quite ironic that Ethanh100 is instructing someone to do more research when he is making incorrect statements himself. Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Lets be helpful and give good answers.
 
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