Pros and Cons of SLI

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So I am thinking about upgrading from my single Zotac Amp! Extreme 1080, to either a single or 2-way 1080 Ti configuration. But I have no idea what comes with using SLI. Cost is not that much of an issue for me so don't worry about the relatively small difference between the 1080 and 1080 Ti. I don't have so much money that I am willing to buy two Titan XP's though.

I don't know much about SLI but here is what I currently know and the pros and cons.

Pros:
Significantly increased performance
With a 1080 Ti should be able to run very high if not ultra settings on 4k.
Will be able to run ultra-wides if I ever want to do that.
Less stress on a single card

Cons:
Weight of potentially 2 Zotac Amp Extreme cards (would go to Asus ROG Strix if I had to) I use a brace with the single card I have now or it sags very bad.
Not all games support SLI, or use them well
More heat in the case
Possible space restrictions
Might have to take out a card to play some games
Constricting space for an M.2

For one I plan on running two separate screens (not in sync)
1.) the upcoming Asus ROG Swift 144Hz 4k G-sync 27" monitor
2.) Similar Asus ROG Swift 144Hz 2k G-sync 27" (pg279q)

The second screen would be used instead of windowing out, so I can multitask while playing games, or as a gaming screen if the 4k isn't optimized well or something like that.


So just in case anyone is wondering here are the rest of my system specs;

System:
OS: Windows 10 64-bit
CPU: Intel i7 6700K
Cooler: Corsair Hydro H115i
MB: Asus ROG Maximus VIII Formula
RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 X 8GB) 3200MHz
GPU: Zotac GTX 1080 Amp! Extreme (For sure upgrading to the 1080 Ti)
Storage: Samsung 950 Pro 512GB (soon)
Samsung 850 Pro 512GB (main drive)
PSU: Corsair AX750 80+ Gold (about to get upgraded)
to: Seasonic Prime 850W 80+ Titanium
Case: Corsair 750D Airflow ed.

So would I be better off doing SLI or sticking with a single card?
 
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Honestly, you could probably stick with what you have now, single 1080 should hold ~60fps for that. Might even push 80-90 in some games but that's probably the limit. You saw my numbers above, 2 1080s easily crush 1440p/144hz and only occasionally drop to...
Pros:

Bonus performance
Looks cool

Cons:

Not supported in some games but since you're getting 1080 Tis that's not really something you can deal with

There's really nothing else with Pascal. Heat and power aren't really issues, and the weight is on individual PCIe slots more than the whole mobo. Some cases (e.g. Coolermaster MasterCase 5) also offer a GPU support brace that you purchase separately. Space isn't really a problem in any modern ATX-compatible case, much less with M.2 drives (unless you plan to regularly swap out the drive for some reason).



When you're considering 1080 Ti, there's really no alternative to SLI for more performance. As for the future of multi-card tech, it's looking good because on top of DX12's new features, the PS4 Pro will feature two GPUs so support will be even more sought after.
 

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With the way game devs are going about SLI and CFX at the moment i would say single. Its like they just cant be bothered to implement multi-GPU configs into their games anymore which is a pain for us enthusiasts who enjoy having SLI/CFX. I'm in the same boat as you at the moment though as im planning on getting CFX RX 490's when they're released but still modern game design is really putting me off doing it. Very nice rig btw man :)
 

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Just as an FYI--there's no way that even two 1080Tis or Titan XPs for that matter will be able to take advantage of the 144Hz refresh rate on that monitor. A single Titan XP is only barely breaking the 60FPS mark in most games on ultra in 4k. Add in that you don't always get perfect GPU scaling, and that means probably under 100-110 FPS in 4k. I would say (if you're dead set on a 4k monitor) to grab a 60Hz G-Sync monitor or bump it down to 2k or a 2k ultrawide with a 144Hz refresh rate.

As for the rest of it--yes not all games support SLI, so there's a bit of extra tinkering to be had, but you can choose whether or not to run a game in SLI. You need not take a card out of your machine if you don't want to run SLI, there are options to disable on a by-game basis. As for the rest of those pros/cons--that about sums it up. You get far greater performance at the cost of thermals and space. Looking at your motherboard, as long as the 1080ti isn't a triple slot card, you'll have space for the M.2 underneath the first x16 slot.

So, at that point it's really up to you whether or not it's worth it. There will be games that don't benefit from SLI, so at that point you have to ask yourself what games am I playing?; if the majority of them are AAA titles, they will support it, and they will support it well. If the majority are indie steam 8bit games, they probably won't support it/need to support it. If you feel like you'll use the increase in performance from SLI, it will end up being worth it. If the 1080-1080ti-Titan XP hierarchy is anything like the 980-980ti-Titan X hierarchy, the 1080ti will come close to the performance of the Titan XP.
 

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Yeah that's also something I need to find a solution for, not really looking to change out my case I love mine.
 
At the moment you could get PCIe slot support braces (there's one called the "Atlas" and an acrylic one from Puget Systems) that screw into the bracket at the rear of the case, but the compatibility of those with 2.5 slot cards is questionable. Other than that it really just gets specific, such as the braces built into the Anidees Crystal or the add-on brace that slots into the MasterCase.
 

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I have the Atlas brace lol, it takes my 2.5 slot card to about 5 slots though. Don't really know if I could fit another one.
 

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I've done a few SLI setups for my self over the years: 560ti, 970, 980m, and now 1080.

You'll find many give grief over them but I currently only have one out of 70 games that don't support it(Batman AK). Overall you will, however, need to wait about a 1-2 months or so after a AAA game release to gain support and usually another month for them to better optimize. 850w is cutting it close, 1000w would be closer to the sweet spot.

Some reviews to check on 1080 SLI:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080_SLI/3.html used 1200w
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/msi-gtx-1080-gaming-x-8g-rgb-sli-review/2/ used 850w
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1080_2_way_sli_review,7.html used 1200w
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/overkill3d_-_rog_swift_pg279_triple_screen_test_with_strix_1080_sli/1 used 1000w

I think you'll really have a lot of fun reading that last link. There's some reviews on Titan X SLI with mostly the same PSU's. You'll find many people jumping on the bandwagon stating that SLI is dying. There's some truth to that but its also true there's no such thing as a single GPU(for under $2000) that can solidly go over 4k/60hz all the time. For that reason alone SLI will have some life for years to come.

Info for settings I use on most games in 4k: No blur of any kind, whats the point of obsessing on 4k just to add blur. My monitor is fixed 60hz refresh so I do usually use V-Sync since again the point of 4k is clarity so why allow tearing. I tinker with AA. Early 4k display reviewers stated you shouldn't need it but sometimes it still helps. There's so many different kinds and they can still slow you down a bit, but I do occasionally see improvements.

My 1080SLI will hold ~60-80 FPS depending on the game. ROTTR can still bring 'em down to 30-40 if I max everything but with no AA or Occlusion and everything maxed it goes back to 60. GTA V in similar settings performs about the same. Witcher 3/DOOM/MORDOR at full max go 60 or over. Metro's maxed except .5 AA will hold over 60. I just remembered and tested Assassins Creed IV yesterday. Game looks awesome at 4k and held ~60 with all maxed. So bottom line here is that if you really are going to 4k/144hz down the road 1080SLI probably can't go a whole lot higher that 60-80 w/o significant compromises.

For your display choice I really have to say go bigger. 27" is going to be hard to see a difference on. 30" is around the minimum that 4k really begins to show its stuff. I don't know if Asus is going to go bigger for that 4k/144hz but they should. Eventually I'll probably upgrade to that in a year or so.

I have the pg278q and love it for 1440p. 1080SLI will hold 120-160 with the same settings I mentioned above. G-Sync does rock! Especially on 144hz 1ms response displays. 1080SLI pretty much owns 1440p. No problem.

It kind of hurts me to recommend going for a Ti SLI since you already have a 1080 but . . . . . .if you have the money and really want to do and are committed to 4k/144hz then go for it. That will be the strongest GPU setup anyone is going to have for a good while and I'm sure you'll be able to find a good home for that 1080. There's already some complaining about the rumored slower vram for the TI's but some have also stated that even those speeds are more than enough. It almost always comes back to clock speeds and cores. VRam size is more of an issue. I've been monitoring mine closely and with all settings maxed at 4k some games hold around 6-8gb while others are 4-6. Games from before 2014 usually top 2-4.

For system ram you might need to go to 32gb. Most games 2014-2016 are using 8gb but there's a growing list of ones from 2016 using 10-12gb at 4k. It's not totally common but it is happening.
 

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That's my thinking as well, and the majority of games I play are AAA I guess. I don't really play many indie games. I guess 4k can also wait till more powerful GPUs come along to make it more of a standard. An ultrawide would also be nice but I don't like how the HUD is still in the 16x9 ratio it makes it look really weird to me. I guess I could just stick with my plan on the 144Hz 2k monitor and stick with a single card for a while.
 

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What about the 32" Acer Predator XB321HK 4k? its only 60Hz but from hearing what others have to say apparently that won't be an issue. I could easily get the similar Acer XB271KHU for the 2k instead of the Asus PG279Q, they are both considered the best 2k gaming monitors available.
 

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Ok, well it looks like I'm leaning back towards the Predator line of monitors for the 32" 4k, but how would a single 1080 Ti fare with a setup like I am looking at? 32" 60Hz G-sync 4k and 27" 144Hz G-sync 2k.
 


Hmm, i think 32" 4k would work, but, honestly the twin monitors Asus ROG SWIFT PG348Q and Acer X34 Predator are widely considered to be the best gaming monitors ever made and for good reason: they hit the perfect balance of features: 34" 21:9 1440p 100Hz IPS with G-sync.
Ultrawide is awesome.
 

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Going to 4k, especially above 60hz, is a costly thing to jump into. I've been buidling/upgrading my system over the course of 6 years now planning for it. It hurt my wallet a lot less to add $1-2000 here and there during that time and allowed me to catch some amazing sales(my CPU/MOBO were just over $500). If you plan to do this all in 2017 then realistically you're looking at around $4000 or more including 2 Ti GPU's, 2 Display(s), PSU, maybe ram. I honestly don't even know what that Asus 4k/144hz is going to cost but I think close to $1500.

A single 1080 will do well at 1440p. Most reviews show them at 60-100fps. As far as high fps 4k is concerned, SLI setups are really the only solution and it could be another 2-4 years before that barrier is broken.
 

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Ok, well it looks like I'm leaning back towards the Predator line of monitors for the 32" 4k, but how would a single 1080 Ti fare with a setup like I am looking at? 32" 60Hz G-sync 4k and 27" 144Hz G-sync 2k.

I'd say much better choices financially and will give you a system you can enjoy for a long time. If the Ti performs anything like Titan it should hold ~60 for 4k and 100-120 in 1440p.
 

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Very, very true. Ultrawide is gaining ground. My wife already thinks I'm crazy for all the displays I've purchased over the last 8 years so I'm kind of banned from getting more, but I've looked many reviews for those and they are nice.
 

EpIckFa1LJoN

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well dang now I'm more confused than ever... Maybe I will get an ultrawide and use my Acer G257HU as a browser and side screen. What kind of GPU config would I be looking at there?

Plus can all games utilize that kind of a screen? I play a lot of WoW and have for over 7 years, I don't see much of a point if I can't play WoW, plus some of my old games (ie Morrowind) don't even utilize 16x9, can the other games at least run on an ultrawide like Morrowinds 4:3 will run on a 16:9?
 




Yes, they will run with black bars on the side in 16:9 or 4:3.
WoW supports 21:9 and you will have a net advantage due to the format as you will have more things on teh screen.


EDIT: That being said, most games, even very old ones have solutions for running in both 16:9 or 21:9.
This site is awesome:http://www.wsgf.org/dr/elder-scrolls-iii-morrowind
 
The best bet is to buy 1 GTX 1080ti. Play with it for a couple weeks or more. See if you even want more performance. Then buy the 2nd one if you do. Test it for as long as the in store return policy lasts (buy from a store that allows returns). Make sure you see a real improvement, and not just a FPS number.

As far as pros to SLI:
Higher FPS. That is it. Anything else you listed is summed up by higher FPS.

Cons in order of importance:
less consistent frame times
Higher latency
not always supported, or give much scaling
some games have artifacting/bug issues with it (DA:I for example)
more heat
more noise
more power

I've used SLI and CF for the better part of 10 years until recently. I've recently switched to a single card, and it is such a relief.

For the most part, you need probably 30-40% higher FPS in SLI/CF to be equal to the same experience as a single card.
 

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Honestly, you could probably stick with what you have now, single 1080 should hold ~60fps for that. Might even push 80-90 in some games but that's probably the limit. You saw my numbers above, 2 1080s easily crush 1440p/144hz and only occasionally drop to ~100 for me. I'm going to go play DOOM after this post . . . .:D

There's been some mention about GPU scaling and the proven truth so far for 1070/1080/Titan's are that they scale very well. I've read reviews on 1070SLI hitting around 80-100fps in 1440p. In fact the closest to a bad review or con commonly stated are budget and support. Scaling really hasn't been an issue with this Pascal.

As far as what engines support ultrawide I'm not sure. I've noticed most from 2016 will but earlier ones are hard to say. Unless someone here can tell you directly I would check on a WOW forum for that question.

update: Hlsgsz answered you about WOW.
 
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okay so I want to congratulate everyone on selling me on a ultrawide and sticking with a single GPU... Looks like I will be spending about $1500 on upgrading my display and GPU situation with a single monitor and selling my 1080 for a Ti, instead of buying 2 new monitors and an extra Ti for over $2600, my wife thanks you, lol.
 

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I think you're going to be real happy. After spending the last couple hours playing on my p278q I can say my biggest complaint is size. The more I hear about these ultrawide 34's the more I'm tempted. I think that Ti will be a good match but it'll be interesting to hear about your experience if you should get the display 1st. There's no doubt the Ti will be special but a 1080 is no slouch either.

Those ram/vram numbers I mentioned for 4k are a bit less for 1440p or ultrawide also. 4k gaming is just a really demanding thing for both budget and gpu's. Unfortunately it will likely be at least 2 years for a viable single gpu 4k/144hz solution and it if follows the current price models it will be around $1500 or more.