Newly built high end gaming PC, only getting 40-55 fps on any game

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For of all my newly built rig:
CPU: i7-6850k 3.6hz
MOBO: Asus ROG Strix X99
RAM: 32 GB Corsair Vengeance 2333mhz
Video: MSI Gaming GTX 1080
SSD1 (for OS): Samsung 950 m.2 drive
SSD2: Sandisk 1tb (where games are)
Monitor: 1920x1200 60hz via HDMI-> DVI cable(plan on getting better)
Windows 10 fully updates
Drivers fully updated.

The problem was I started running fallout 4, even on the lowest settings, I was 45-55 fps, when uncapped fps, only when I'm idle was I getting 60+fps (so capping is pointless). I've tried other games too like Witcher 2, and Divinity Original sin, all the same problem.

On Friday with Nvidia's driver update, I got a steady and smooth 60fps on Fo4, but lost it after I reset my PC.

I've set my BIOS setting to overclock, as did my video card. I made sure my power saver is set to balanced. Set my GPU to via Nvidia control panel to Prefer Maximum Performance. Also I've be setting up my games using the Geforce Experience(but even the lowest setting is not getting me 60fps) and reinstalling my drivers with it. So at this moment I'm stumped.

Any suggestions, info needed to be posted, etc. I can easily provide.

Thanks!
 
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So yes I checked all games, regardless of game, 45-55ish fps. So I took the nuclear route and reformatted. I think I know what caused it now. When I installed the MSI gaming app off the disc, I went into that 45-55 fps, removing it, and it was a smooth 60 all the time. I then installed MSI gaming app off their site, and everything works like a charm now. Strange.
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Ok I just uninstalled the Driver using display Driver uninstaller, and did a clean install of the latest driver. It worked like a charm, smooth 60fps on FO4. But after I reset my PC, back to normal. Any idea what this is?

For the record, yes I did disable vsync in FO4 and enabled it in the nvidia control panel, as fast, and as adaptive, nothing helped. But this clean install worked until i reset my PC.
 
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"But after I reset my PC, back to normal"
What do you mean excactly by this. Did you reset the BIOS, pressed the reset button or set Windows to factory default?

Which BIOS version is on the motherbord?

Geforce experience is more of a problem than it should help, uninstall it and set the driver to default settings, or use ddu again.

run 3dmark (free benchmarking tool), click on "compare results online" afterwards and post this link
 
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"What do you mean excactly by this. Did you reset the BIOS, pressed the reset button or set Windows to factory default?"
I rebooted/restarted windows.

My Bios version is 1201 10/05/2016 which appears to be up to date

More findings:
Turning off vsync in the Nvidia control panel and in FO4
yielded me 110 + idle 77 ish fps, though still felt choppy.

Setting my resolution to 1600p via DSR yielded me the same results.

I installed MSI afterburner, couldn't read the overtly stylized UI well, but my GPU on the bottom graph was getting 38-55 power with adaptive sync and 45-55 with two 85 spikes without it.

I uninstalled the Geforce experience and reinstalled the latest drivers using clean install. My 3dmark
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15658281
Also fallout 4 was running a SMOOTH 60 fps

After restarted my PC
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15658522
Fallout 4 back to its choppy self.

Also just did a test, clean installed of drivers doesn't work, using DDU and doing a clean install does.
 
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So DDU -> restart -> clean install of nvidia drivers = smooth framerate regardless of settings
if I reboot my PC afterwards, its back to the 45ish fps I get. No one else has experienced this?
 
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DDU-> restarted -> clean installed it three times, twice with geforce experience, once without, all yielded a smooth frame rate, (until I rebooted my PC).
Note that if I do a clean install without doing DDU first I do not get the smooth frame rate.

Also if I turn off Vsync (in game and in the control panel) and set the frame limit to 70ish using the Nvidia Inspector, I do get a high frame rate until I actually start moving around and playing, then its back to 40-55ish.

Tonight when I get back home, I'm going to turn off OC, install geforce experience and see if shadowplay is causing any of this(coworker suggested that).

Also is there a hardware CPU/GPU power/temp monitoring software with a non convoluted UI(MSI afterburner I'm looking at you), so I can post reports to show you guys?

For the record, I'm mainly relying on the steam fps counter and my own eye.
 
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Well here are two zip files with after burner and hw monitor logs.
Each are a one minute session of FO4 simply walking around in a room.
Each zip contains a pre boot (averaging 60fps) post boot (averaging 45 fps).
The after burner logs to look for are the second entry(there's only two per file).
Also I noticed in afterburner my framerate did not show up.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/24gkv0c931sxwip/AfterburnerLogs.zip?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d3soh7rdjhf8mnj/HWMonitorLogs.zip?dl=0

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To be honest, with your spec...you don't even need the overclock on the 1080....it's more than capable of running FO4, and it's my guess that this is what is causing your issues.

If your VRAM is working too fast (or GPU vice-versa), then it will fill up your framebuffer and cause the choppiness you speak of. Specifically if you are uncapping your framerate. Vsync will combat this, but then you are stuck at fixed FPS. So my advice would be to leave your drivers alone, take off any overclocks....except maybe the CPU OC if you have one. Oh and don't just use FO4 as a benchmark, because you could be tweaking your drivers and everything for nothing....FO4 is notorious for choppiness esp. around cities.

I know it sounds counterproductive, but actually try underclocking your VRAM on the 1080 incrementally to see if you get any improvement with the FPS. The VRAM might be feeding the GPU too much data and bottlenecking everything else.

There are a bunch of .ini tweaks that will help immensely with FO4. I played around with it and eventually got it running sweet on my rig. I had similar problems to your at the start. Check out THIS guide for some of the more useful tweaks.

 
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I turned off all overclocking and still getting the same results. The fact is I'm running at the lowest settings and still not getting anything but this frame rate, unless I uninstall via DDU and perform a clean install, there's gotta be something off, anyone have ANY inkling?

Getting rather frustrated with this, thinking of reformatting my PC and seeing if that helps, or anything.

Looking at the logs above I noticed this:
Overall Power: +4% after reboot
GPU Temp: +15 degrees after reboot
GPU Usage: around -10% usage after reboot
Fan speed: preboot its a smooth 43 rpm afterwards is bursting in small bursts from 0 to 56
Ram usage: Goes up by 700 mb post boot
Pagefile usage: Goes up by 1GB post boot
 
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Run some other games and benchmark them, if you are getting consistently good framerates with other games, then you will have to consider INI tweaks that I linked before to get FO4 running smoothly.

 
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So yes I checked all games, regardless of game, 45-55ish fps. So I took the nuclear route and reformatted. I think I know what caused it now. When I installed the MSI gaming app off the disc, I went into that 45-55 fps, removing it, and it was a smooth 60 all the time. I then installed MSI gaming app off their site, and everything works like a charm now. Strange.
 
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I think it's about the v-sync, try to disable it. And also, i had a problem with my drivers and the solution was to disable and enable the gpu driver. Then all my games were working in 120+ fps. You can do that from device manager, but i bet you already know that :)). If none of this does't work, your pc it's strange :((
 
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