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dsmith80

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Okay I really have a hard time trying to articulate what I'm trying to say in this particular thought.. but I'll do my best.

Why do I constantly get the feeling that AMD and Nvidia are really working in cahoots with each other?

Let me put it this way, how is it after 2-3 years AMD put out the 360, 370,380 and 390 with literally identical architecture as the last? There was no difference? In fact the 370 is by FAR slower and WORSE than the 270. Again though,

Why the HELL don't why have a video card by this time that has 10,000 stream processors/cuda cores and etc. All they are doing is tweaking it SO little by little that we have to keep freaking buying it every time they release something just a tiny bit better. It's like they prey on us PC hardware addicts that salivate over a 1 FPS boost in a game, or a shiny new piece of tech with a higher generational number (guess what guys ITS THE 300 SERIES OMFG! WORSE THAN THE 200 SERIES YOU SAY? BUT LOOK IT HAS A 3 IN FRONT OF IT OMFG)

Why is this happening? Now granted I will admit I think Intel and AMD is a little bit different (although who knows Zen might make AMD a winner soon) but in terms of graphics cards, I think it's complete bull**** man.. It just doesn't add up.. How is it 2016 (almost 2017) and we are still doing the same thing where we just add to the shader clock, add a couple megahertz, etc and make consumers buy it multiple times a decade? Why can't we just have a generational leap like console does? Ya know sometimes I wonder how when I play a very late 360 or PS3 game (like uncharted 3 or GTA 5 for each console) how they even accomplished this on a 10 year old console in the first place (this is the time when GeForce 6800 was giving me my frames, sir) and how they managed to get developers spend time on the software WORKING the best on the hardware given instead of adding one feature that would just slaughter the GPU.. Would GTA5 look as good as it does on a 360 as it would on a 6800GT? Come on now....


idk /endrant but still... I'm tired of it..

I know I'm going to get flamed hardcore for this but I just can't stand it and it just doesn't feel right.
 
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It's a conspiracy of physics.

I mean dammit, they have been making cars for almost 100 years, so why don't we all drive 100 litre engine cars with 1000 cylinders at 500mph at 5000mpg.

It's a conspiracy, A CONSPIRACY!!!
 
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Question from dsmith80 : "Video card conspiracy?"



 
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Hey man, I think it's cool that you are posting something like this.



I think if they wanted to, Nvidia could build a card with a stupid amount of CUDA cores that outperforms everything on the market, but it would be so expensive to produce that there would be no consumer willing to buy it, or, at least not enough consumers willing to buy it that they could justify the design, development, and manufacturing costs. Before they make a new card they have to be sure that there is enough of a market that they won't loose money on it.

Everything they build is constrained by price, they are improving their cards very gradually because that's the best they can do while staying within the price margins. If the performance of their next gen cards was double the generation before, but the price also increased two-fold, that wouldn't really represent a useful improvement. They have to keep their GTXxx60, GTXxx70, etc in the same price brackets every generation...
 
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http://www.techspot.com/article/1191-nvidia-geforce-six-generations-tested/

In a 6-year stretch, nVidia was able to not only have 5 times as many CUDA cores on a single chip (going from the GTX 480 to the GTX 1080), but they also managed to cut the transistors-to-CUDA ratio in half, & added more texture mapping units & render output units on each card.

If there's a slowdown in development anywhere, I'd say it's because they're running into the same problem with "Moore's Law" that CPUs have run into:

1. It's not a "law" like the "laws of physics", where things happen a set way because that's how everything works. "Moore's Law" was just a projection based on initial observations by Gordon Moore, & has already been updated at least once by Moore himself (the original "law" said you would see double the transistors every year, not the two years most people are familiar with, & the "18-month" cycle was actually said by David House of Intel).

2. The smaller they shrink their fabrication process, the harder it is to squeeze everything in, & the harder it is to get to the next size reduction. Consider, if you will, that the GP104 chip used in the GTX 1080 has almost 1,000 times the transistors of the old Intel P6 chips (7.2 billion vs. 7.5 million), & the P6 used a 350nm fabrication process.

Wondering why we haven't hit an artificially-selected level of GPU technology is, in some ways, asking why we don't yet have the "flying cars" that we were promised in the 1950s, 1960s & 1970s...
 
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DP but I was thinking about this again and here's the way I would put it.

I'm a mechanic. I have very expensive tools and a very expensive tool box. When I was younger, I remember asking my foreman at the time; "why did you drop 30K on a giant toolbox?" His answer was along the lines of, unlike a car- he will never have to buy one again. It has every single option imaginable for years and years and years to come and Snap-On will just replace anything that breaks because their warranties are forever (literally).

So that's what I would look at technology. I would rather buy one card and never buy one again for 10, 15 or even 20 years. Yes it would be high in price but let's face it, real nerds are addicted to buying hardware, I know I am. I buy new shit just to buy it even if it yields no different results. If it cost that much their would indefinitely be an enormous warranty on it (just like my snap-on tools) so why not? We can still offer the consumer "value cards" which imo, at this point there shouldn't be any things like the R7 240 etc, or GT710's which are complete wastes. In this reality our value cards would be a great video card but one that would still have a regular upgrade cycle, so it would still cost you around 300-600 dollars (or more if you want bells and whistles or the occasionally AMD x2 edition). It would still run everything properly, but it wouldn't be that end all be all card like the proposed one. I honestly think this is where the market should head. To the guy who said this is like saying we should have had flying cars by now, where the %##@ are they? I preordered one when I was 15.
 
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