HDD may be messed up can anyone help please??

hunter0122

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So my problem today is my HDD has been very slow and I am noticing it when i play fps games. The defragger windows tool shows that my system is 91% fragmented and everything else is ok. when i hit the optimize prompt it loads for a few seconds then goes straight back to the same 91% fragmented message, can anyone please help me with this? If I have to buy a new HDD I am totally fine with that, but if that's the case can someone please tell me how to transfer my OS and files to the new HDD. Thanks to everyone who reads this, I look forward to reading your helpful comments.
 
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if the hdd is your boot drive, i would also say this is normal, one of th reasons why most move to SSD when they can, windows7 after a while even with a few applications seems to slow down quite a bit.
At one point I waited something like 20 minutes before IO activity settled down, you dont even want to know how long it took to boot. Changed for an SSD on everything i work with and haven't looked back, it drastically reduced boot times and where there are multiple calls being made at the same time when windows is loading, everything is done much faster, not all the boot and desktop loading process is contiguous read/writes, there will be times where it is trying to load several things and thus random reads, here you que depth goes up...

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There is your first problem, you are using the windows defragger, try something like
1. UltraDefrag http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/en/index.html
2. Defraggler. http://www.piriform.com/defraggler

I suggest, you do a boot time defrag. Or get into safe mode and try your luck there. Windows may not allow some files that are in use to be moved during run time, MFT. The other type of data generally not moved is the USN Journal. The USN journal can get pretty large, both of those defraggers should work in safe mode.

An if you have insufficient space on the drive to perform a defrag, sometimes the defraggers just decide, "nope no free space, no doing it "

If the reduction in speed is not down to a fragmented files system after running either of those two, and we are talking about traditional hard drives here. Low fps (unless you are running on IDE hard drives) typically is due to underpowered Graphics and CPU and not being limited by the hard drive once everything is loaded.


 

hunter0122

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It is a 1TB HDD and there is 437GB of free space I also downloaded defraggler and on there it is telling me I have 17% fragmentation on my drive.
 

hunter0122

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@curtis_87 i downloaded defraggler and it is telling me there is 17% fragmentation on my system. How long should a defrag process normally take? It was upwards of 8 hours for it to complete, not sure if that matters or not.
 

hunter0122

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ok so i ran defraggler and it said it was defragged but when i booted up my system it shows that my disk is 100% used for like 20 minutes then drops to around 30% and levels out there. I am running antivirus software it is called avast, other than that it is a bunch of microsoft programs that take up all of my disk space, is this an issue or common?

 

hunter0122

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No i don't have any java applications. I ran defraggler again because it said my fragmentation moved up to 27% and when it got done defragging nothing happened.
 

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if the hdd is your boot drive, i would also say this is normal, one of th reasons why most move to SSD when they can, windows7 after a while even with a few applications seems to slow down quite a bit.
At one point I waited something like 20 minutes before IO activity settled down, you dont even want to know how long it took to boot. Changed for an SSD on everything i work with and haven't looked back, it drastically reduced boot times and where there are multiple calls being made at the same time when windows is loading, everything is done much faster, not all the boot and desktop loading process is contiguous read/writes, there will be times where it is trying to load several things and thus random reads, here you que depth goes up like a b*tch and a traditional hard drive just has a hard time keeping up with SSD's.

Though you may want to check that avast is configured in the performance options to: see this ( https://www.avast.com/no-no/faq.php?article=AVKB178 )

"
Persistent cache

(YES) Persistent cache refers to storing information about files already verified as clean to speed up later scans.

(yes) Speed up scanning by using the persistent cache - Files already verified as clean are not scanned again.
(YES) Store data about scanned files in the persistent cache - New information about verified clean files is added to the persistent cache during the scan. This can slow down the current scan, but speeds up future scans when the option above is also enabled.
"
Once a full scan of everything is done you should see less activity from Avast on boot up, as it wont scan files again that haven't been modified since last scan.

Ultimately, if you want to keep fragmentation down to 0.
Buy a copy of diskeeper;
http://www.condusiv.com/products/diskeeper/

InteliWrite will make sure it mostly writes contiguous chunks. AutoDefrag works in the background to deal with any thing, and it will do the bootime defrag you want making sure your data is perfectly neat an tidy.

Then again, your MB interface could be the bottleneck here. which hdd? what MB? Are you connected to the fastest SATA port on that MB?
Have you partitioned your 1tb so that windows occupies only the first 200Gb partition and your games are installed on the second 800GB? 'cause i would, system fragmentation is fine(ish), but data and games keep them on a separate partition to make it easier to know if they are fragmented.
What CPU?, what GPU?
 
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