SHOULD I buy EVGA GTX1070 FTW !

Goodbye Ruby Tuesday · Nov 2, 2016

Hey guys,

SO im doing my first build, i have enough money for a $410 GPU. Ive heard nothing but grea tthings about EVGA , so im going to buy a EVGA GTX1070 FTW ( great reviews everywhere)

Is this the best card for the money?

ALso, Ive heard NOT to buy EVGA's 1070 or 1080 models as they dont put coolers on their RAM , is this true? someone on Toms Hardware told me they dont cool the ram on their 1070/1080 models.... :??:

anyways, SHOULD I GET THE EVGA GTX1070 FTW?!?!?!?! ( 8GB 256-bit) :pt1cable:

bamanec · Nov 2, 2016

Look to see if they are making new models with the updated Ram fans, if not I would not go EVGA right now. Which sucks for me because I love EVGA

Math Geek · Nov 2, 2016

you are correct that there is an issue with the FTW 1070/80 cards. they have identified the problem and are offering current owners free thermal pads. no need to avoid the card but i'd wait a month so they can get the new ones that included thermal pads and not have to do it yourself.

with that said, there is no reason to get the FTW over the sc card in reality. you won't get any extra fps out of it nor will it oc to any higher levels. so you can avoid the issue all around and just get the sc card

BadBoyGreek · Nov 2, 2016

Currently, the EVGA FTW 3.0 cards have some apparent fan issues, but any other 1070 card in their range hasn't reported problems. EVGA is always a great graphics card choice. Should you decide on others, I'd consider Asus or MSI as well.

Math Geek · Nov 2, 2016

the problem is not with the fans. it is the fact that on the ftw card they did not put any thermal pads over the vrms. with the right circumstances a vrm may overheat and fail as has been shown now by tom's and other sites.

the solution is thermal pads which evga is giving away free or will switch your card out for free with one that has the pads installed already. not really a massive issue if you are buying a new one if you give ti a few so they can get stock out with the pads in place.

but as i already noted, there is no performance advantage over the sc model to even bother right now. nab a sc card which uses a lot less power and gives the same fps

still get the great evga service with it.

junkeymonkey · Nov 2, 2016

http://forums.evga.com/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-10801070-PWM-Operating-Temperature-Update-m2573491.aspx

http://forums.evga.com/EVGA-GeForce-10-Series-f103.aspx

http://www.evga.com/thermalmod/

would be hard to look at all that and go spend good money on one ? I cant see paying for a first quality product and find I have to tare it down and woirk on it to make it right ??

I cant see anything wrong just then going with a card like from MSI that may still be as expected and 100% ready to go not have to work on it new out of the box

just shows that hype and fast sales take priority over things as R&D or quality control that should of been preformed ahead of releasing it to the public

http://www.evga.com/thermalmod/thermal_pad_mod_installation_guide.pdf

Goodbye Ruby Tuesday · Nov 3, 2016

Junkey Monkey, If i were to buy a GTX 1070 FTW by EVGA right now from their website, it would have the updated Thermal pads and BIOS on it. theystrted doing that as of November 1st

junkeymonkey · Nov 3, 2016

don't know how fast they reacted to that ?? you would think there inventory would of been pulled and adjustments made ?? I think if I had a good older card I'd just keep running it in till things get cleared up or go with another brand ? MSI would more then likely be my 2ed choice ..?

then for all you know there not doing anything except offering that free fix for those who worried they feel / think they need it ?

tough call no telling how there going to handle any all ready released to stores old stock ? keep selling them off or recall and replace with ''fixed'' cards ??

Math Geek · Nov 3, 2016

i'd give it a few myself to let the fixed cards get into rotation. EVGA is top notch for customer service and won't purposely sell bad cards. it's easy to add the thermal pads anyway. here is a how to from gamer's nexus showing it. few screws, stick the pads on, then put screws back. pretty much as simple as it gets. written with pics as well as a video showing the process

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2668-how-to-install-thermal-pads-on-evga-gpus

junkeymonkey · Nov 3, 2016

ya, just hide and watch/ wait and see

I was looking at some of this reported damage ????

https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nvidia-1070-vrm-damage-1280x720.jpg

from

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/238633-evga-gtx-1080s-1070s-allegedly-exploding-due-improper-vrm-cooling

or

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTQ3Nzc2NTEyMDZaeGx2TTJ1d2ZfMV8xX2wuanBn

from

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2016/10/29/evga_offering_additional_thermal_pads_for_overheating_gtx_1080_1070_cards/#.WBvA3bco6Hs

true or not with the damage shown I'd be thinking twice with my money for the time being ?? [opinion]

azzazel_99 · Nov 3, 2016

The new cards are already being shipped out with the updated bios and the thermal pads. I would buy one directly from evga as most stores will have the ones that will need the bios update and the thermal pads ordered from evga. If you order one directly though all of their problematic ones should have been replaced on their shelves with the new fixed ones. Order directly in my opinion. Evga is by far one of the better if not best out there.

junkeymonkey · Nov 3, 2016

like that one review guy said - only time will tell if that damage was caused by all that pad mess or not ? see with that for all you know it still all up in the air ?

''EVGA appears to be honoring card warranties, but time will tell if the problem is actually VRM-related or not. If it is, then we’ll see replacement GPUs failing over time as well. If the pads solve the VRM issue''

like I said I'd hide and watch and play the wait and see or go with another brand if you cant wait - but then I guess its not my money were spending here

junkeymonkey · Nov 3, 2016

seing I all ready got a 980 ti hybrid , but if I had to get a 1070 card today this is the way I'd go

https://us.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1070-SEA-HAWK-X.html#hero-overview

that cooling along with how the NVidia gpu boost 3.0 is/works on 10 series cards I don't think you would of gone wrong [opinion]

469 after rebate at newegg

well I guess they got 2 of them ? the 1070 seahawk and the 1070 seahawk ''X'' ??? hmmmmm.....

https://us.msi.com/comparison/graphics-card

I'd like to see / know if the pcb is the same under the hood between the 2 ???

I guess the same

https://us.msi.com/comparison/graphics-card

thing there not telling you is and what I see wiyth my hybrid is at the low max temps you will never see any thermal throttling as you will see with air cards

and with that gpu boost 3.0 is geared to boost on temps threshholds so ??

''To start, Pascal clockspeeds are much more temperature-dependent than on Maxwell 2 or Kepler. Kepler would drop a single bin at a specific temperature, and Maxwell 2 would sustain the same clockspeed throughout. However Pascal will drop its clockspeeds as the GPU warms up, regardless of whether it still has formal thermal and TDP headroom to spare. This happens by backing off both on the clockspeed at each individual voltage point, and backing off to lower voltage points altogether.''

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/15

The Original Ralph · Nov 3, 2016

i just got in a zotac gtx 1070 mini about 10 days ago - ran all the tests including the furmark and no problems overheating
and it's quiet, no fan noise or coil whine

there have been complaints about coil whine and fan noise with the evga
if you want gtx 1070, consider the zotac - found mine on amazon for $399 shipped

Faktion · Nov 3, 2016

Honestly I am pretty pissed about the whole 1080\1070\1060 VRM heating issue and I would skip the ACX 3.0 generation all together.

There are plenty of top notch cards out there. I would choose a different manufacturer.

azzazel_99 · Nov 3, 2016

None with the customer support EVGA has though

junkeymonkey · Nov 4, 2016

''None with the customer support EVGA has though ''

that's true , but all that don't overcome a lemon card and whos patience wares thin . like I say you will all ways have that issue stuck in the back of your mind everytime you fire up or see something flinch.

its just a peace of mind thing and a doubt of trust worthiness . may never have or see any issue then out of the blue snap pow even with the fix applied ???

its a tough call and only YOU know what you want to do from here , risk it or just move on

good luck

notice here just under a evga tech reply a guy asked ''So if I send my GTX 1080 SC back to you guys, you can send me one with thermal pads and the new VBIOS installed?''

http://forums.evga.com/EVGA-Overheating-Issues-extended-warranty-m2574139.aspx

then see how the evga tech answered . well funny he did not answer back with any answer to that ?? a member answered ''wrong thread '' but how is it wrong to ask there in any way ? evga tech = exit stage right

in other words evga is not answering to admit any liability on there part if you take notice to any of this all card tested fine on there end of things and meet spec.

http://forums.evga.com/EVGA-GeForce-10-Series-f103.aspx

now here he seems to answerer to that ?

''I assure everyone that we are 100% Quality Checking all EVGA GTX 10 series ACX 3.0 cards models 1060/1070/1080 to ensure that they are fully updated with both the latest BIOS and the Optional Thermal Pad Mod to assist our customers. Rest assured that if you do not prefer to install the Optional Thermal mod or the Recommended VBIOS yourself, or have any concerns with your product, then we are here to help with a replacement product that is updated.''

http://forums.evga.com/Flaws-in-evga-design-and-poor-quality-control-home-made-fix-m2575202.aspx

like said if YOU feel 350 -400 bucks on something like that is worth the risk long term and trust they will fully resolve ?????

that's all up to you . I use a lot of evga cards but sometime theres one or 2 you just let slide by and go with next best

Faktion · Nov 4, 2016

azzazel_99 :

Sending out a BIOS update to make the fan profile more aggressive because they didn't properly cool the VRM on expensive high end cards is pretty irritating.

Instead of sending you pads to install yourself they should be recalling the defective cards.

They used to have amazing customer service but after my chat with them on the phone a few days ago I think this will be my last EVGA card. (I have had 6 in a row to this point.)

junkeymonkey · Nov 4, 2016

ya, I noticed this as well , but still better then lets say ASUS by far . I see where evga is not as they use to be , and seems they kinda changed with the 900 series release . not no where near like it was back when . remember when evga offered lifetime warrantees on there cards ??

still I would way rather deal with evga then deal with any of the top 4 brands support .

but ya, I also notice a little change in them as well on some things - anymore there all just now run of the mill cards cooler set ups and led lighting is all you now really get between them all anymore as far as the cards themselves

Faktion · Nov 4, 2016

Two of my friends use MSI cards exclusively and have had good things to say about their support.

I have used Gigabyte customer support tons of times for motherboards and they have always been top notch as well.

I'm personally steering clear of EVGA this is the second blunder within 2 generations that haven't been handled properly.

junkeymonkey · Nov 4, 2016

'' this is the second blunder within 2 generations that haven't been handled properly ''

cant argue with that .. even though I did buy a 980ti hybrid [late, right after the 10 series was released 411$ from newegg ] figured all the ''bugs '' should be well worked out [ LOL] hope so anyway and so far so good [knock on wood ]

Faktion · Nov 4, 2016

junkeymonkey :

I know I loved EVGA for so long.

azzazel_99 · Nov 5, 2016

I'm curious what other issue evga had? I don't recall any.

junkeymonkey · Nov 5, 2016

small silly stuff l like the 970 cooler thing was one of the last

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_970_SC_ACX_Cooler/images/cooler2.jpg

but what most folks did not realize was the gtx 970 was first made with recycled 700 cards parts

not to say the asus 980 pipes did not all have full contact but it dont look as bad ?

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-geforce-gtx-980-strix-review,3.html

''Furthermore, as we mentioned in our GTX 980 review, GTX 970 has been a pure virtual (no reference card) launch, which means all of NVIDIA’s partners are launching their custom cards right out of the gate. A lot of these have been recycled or otherwise only slightly modified GTX 700/600 series designs,Meanwhile since NVIDIA did not produce reference cards, for GTX 970 reviewers are being sampled directly by NVIDIA’s partners. ''

with any brand all you got was a say gtx 780 with the Maxwell2 chip in it .

thing is evga was helded to a high standard and things like this can get put under the microscope ..

anymore with NVidia control over there things today like I said about all you get is a cooler design out side of that there all just a gtx card

not like back in the old days when BFG and evga made over the top cards now everyone has long jumped on that band wagon and can pretty much match there offerings or do better

like look at the specs now evga don't sell the top out of the box clocked card even there kingpin was sold at a lower speced clocks the say the zotac amp extreme look at the 10 series there a few cards sold speced higher then evgas ''best'' card out of the box ???

thing is still evem though they cut back on there warrantee and all there still the best at doing it and customer satisfaction . I've seen them take some real junk in for RMA that I was 100% sure it would of been rejected quick , but they took it and replaced .

I sent in a old gts 8800 burned up and got a 960 in return ?????

azzazel_99 · Nov 5, 2016

My 970 that i had ran super cool so i guess i didnt have that "issue". Also the reason no one really offers lifetime warranties anymore is because it can and has put companies out of business. 5 years worth of warranty though is plenty long enough in my book. I still own a BFG card as a matter of fact junkeymonkey lol. I miss them so much

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