GTX 1080 vs R9 390 benchmarks. Should I return the 1080?

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Hi I got a Zotac 1080 AMP for 540 US dollars (without tax) Open box from microcenter and I tested it against my current MSI r9 390.

Results:
Gtx 1080 is overclocked to 2050 (would crash if i go higher) and hovers 2000-2050 mhz range at max fan speed. Also has +500 mhz memory overclock

R9 390 is clocked at 1110 MHZ with no memory overclock, Also max fan speed.

All tests was done at 1440p

Ashes of the singularity Crazy
1080: 56.3
390: 36.4

Rise of the Tomb raider. DX 12
1080: 98.49
390: 49.83

Dragon age inquisition
1080: DX 11:100
r9 390: 50

Doom Vulkan Ultra:
1080: 167
r9 390: 99

Witcher 3 hair works off
1080: 95
r9 390: 49

Grand theft auto V All anti aliasing off
1080: Nvidia shadows 92
r9 390: Amd Shadows 47

Skyrim Heavily moded
1080 (only uses 70-75 GPU load for some reason):38
390: (uses full gpu load) 27

GW2
1080 (Uses only 70-75 percent gpu load): Random Spwn point: 150 Guild hall: 127
390: (Uses full 100 percent load) Random Spwn point: 85 Guild Hall: 61

Warframe Phyx Disabled
1080(Uses only 70-74 percent gpu load): 393
390(Uses full 100 percent gpu load): 182



I just keep hovering if I should stick with 1080 or not because HBM2 is incoming and I don't know how much of a difference it'll make on AMD Vega card and if AMD vega cards are even that powerful.

Analysis would indicate that older games on older API (GW2 and Skyrim) the 1080 runs 40 percent faster, with also a little random note that the 1080 does not go full GPU load (only hovers 70-75 percent) while the r9 390 does.

On DX 11, 1080 has a wooping 90-100 percent faster

On Vulkan and Async compute (ashes of the singularity) 1080 is about 60-70 percent faster.

Should I just wait for 1080ti or AMD Vega? I don't know if AMD Vega will be that much of a leap due to a disappointing rx 480 release or save the money for the imminent 1080ti that nvidia will release to compete with Vega

I actually PREFER to stay with AMD due to Nvidia dropping all support for older cards later in the line and anti consumer business practices. However AMD just don't have any powerful cards that will play any of my current games smoothly with also horrible DX 11 support due to their cards inability to use the CPU in DX 11 games (hence why they're amazing at DX12 and Vulkan because it's suppose to use less of the CPU). But a note to that is their cards are more "future proof" with their Async compute as a foundation for future API (Vulkan and DX12)

540 for a 1080 is also an extremely good deal so i don't know...
 
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Well to be frank they lost the war a long time ago and are just operating within their best market. Nvidia has had a near 2:1 sales advantage in discrete GPUs for a long time. With Intel eating into the low end to such an extreme, the most profit to be had is in mid-range cards. They get a lot more GPUs out of a wafer that way. They make good GPUs and relatively inexpensive CPUs. So to take a new process node and only make mid-range cards was a good move on their part financially. When they do release Vega, it will be interesting, but, as usual, within a few months you'll have Nvidia's next line, and so on and so on.

I wouldn't focus too much on HBM and memory bandwidth. It has been proven time and again, it is what you do with it...

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Sounds like you've already hit a bottleneck with the rest of the system. A GTX1070 might be a better option for you. Then you can save some money will you wait for Vega or Volta (or whatever Nvidia's next one is, they keep changing it)

Nothing wrong with the 1080's performance today. Which is kind of how I view it. Power today with Nvidia, AMD slow driver improvement. You can argue the other way as well, why doesn't Nvidia do this as well (or have they already done it). Or why doesn't AMD do this kind of thing up front to get the most performance possible on release day.

Nvidia does drop cards, but they are usually pretty old by the time they do. And someone willing to buy flagship cards shouldn't concern themselves too much about it. It also seems AMD is more willing to try new technologies, which is why some of their older designs stick around for longer. They were built with the future in mind.
 

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i7 4790k at 4.7 ghz is not a bottle neck (sorry i didn't state it)

I just hate both AMD and Nvidia atm. AMD for their slow advancement but long term cards. Nvidia for their fast cards but planned obscolence.
 

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Hmm, then you must have V-sync on or something on to hold back the GPU from reaching 100% utilization.

It would have been nice if they kept their promise to add DX12 support via drivers to the Fermi line, but Kepler did get it, which is still going back a ways in terms of GPU.

AMD hasn't made too many drastic leaps with GCN, but they do tend to be on the cutting edge. It is bad in a way, it means that almost nothing supports what the card can do when it comes out. And that when it does, your high end card is the equivalent of a new mid-range card.
 

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I would say it depends on some things:
1) Micro Center's open-box return policy. I personally love shopping for parts there, but if they won't take a return on the open-box then you might as well keep the GTX 1080 (or try selling it).

2) I'm assuming your monitor is capable of 1440p resolutions. If so, do you like the picture quality with the GTX 1080 @ 1440p better than the quality with the R9 390 @ 1080p? If you prefer the higher resolution, then keep the 1080; aside from the new Pascal Titans, it's the king of GPUs, so even with "planned obsolescence" it should still be at or near the top for another year. If you don't like the quality as much, then take back the GTX 1080 & save your money (assuming #1 allows you to).

3) There's always another "brand new, now it cleans your monitor screen for you!!!" GPU coming down the pike; that much hasn't changed. What's changed, however, is the approach in the GPUs -- both in the marketing & in the capabilities. Time was, each new GPU that came out (nVidia, ATI/AMD, Voodoo, S3, etc.) was all about improving on both the prior GPU they built as well as one-upping the competition. Nowadays, however, it's not enough to just have a "super-turbo-screaming-fast Death Machine" of a GPU that will partially handle Crysis 3 & Ashes of the Singularity, you have to have GPUs that appeal to all of the markets. Some of us, for example, just added a 2nd monitor to their PC setup (desktop use only, not for gaming, since its resolution is lower than my primary monitor), & are still primarily gaming at the sub-1080p resolution (primary monitor hits 1600x900 tops). For us, a top-line GPU like the GTX 1080 is not only super-overkill for our gaming needs, but by itself almost doubles the cost of the gaming PC we would build...& is therefore nowhere near worth the money for us. When I buy my next monitor, though, it'll be because the current one went bad, & unless they simply don't make them anymore -- which I'll know is on the horizon when Tom's Hardware lumps the "Recommended for eSports" and "Recommended for Full HD" categories into a single one -- it'll most likely be a 1080p monitor (most likely with a 60Hz refresh rate). Right now, if you're happy at 1440p resolutions, that GTX 1080 looks like a solid GPU to have (aside from apparently some overheating issues a few models are having), so I wouldn't worry too much about what nVidia or AMD plan on bringing out next year. If you're that worried, though, about its future capabilities but don't want to just rely on your R9 390, then like @Eximo said I would consider returning the 1080 & just getting a GTX 1070 (assuming #1 isn't a problem, & assuming the open-box cost on the 1080 was so low that it brought it down to a 1070's price).
 

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My microcenter actually has great return policy. Just return it in within 30 days and they won't even check it. Thats why I love it there.

And yes I have 1440p 144hz IPS that i bought from microcenter that I love. I just want a graphic card that will finish my build and last me for 4-5 years. After 4-5 years I rather just rebuild the entire computer than just upgrade the graphics card.
 

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Nope I don't use Vsync, I have no clue why it's not 100 percent utilized.And yeah, the issue with AMD on CPU and GPU is that they try to make futuristic hardware that nothing supports. I know i saw a video somewhere that AMD's cpus was actually quite advance, however its just that people had to code it SPECIFICALLY for AMD for it to be fast, and nobody did that since Intel was the dominant brand. Thats why Zen follow's closely to intel's architecture instead of doing its own thing.

On GPU side, they've been preparing DX 12 and Vulkan for Async compute in which their cards already have but nobody uses. Games devs finally using it but now their "high end" async cards are just not that great.

 

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Well to be frank they lost the war a long time ago and are just operating within their best market. Nvidia has had a near 2:1 sales advantage in discrete GPUs for a long time. With Intel eating into the low end to such an extreme, the most profit to be had is in mid-range cards. They get a lot more GPUs out of a wafer that way. They make good GPUs and relatively inexpensive CPUs. So to take a new process node and only make mid-range cards was a good move on their part financially. When they do release Vega, it will be interesting, but, as usual, within a few months you'll have Nvidia's next line, and so on and so on.

I wouldn't focus too much on HBM and memory bandwidth. It has been proven time and again, it is what you do with it that counts.

The compute capabilities that AMD bakes into their cards doesn't hurt either. It is really where their high end GPUs come from. Whereas Nvidia likes to go proprietary and limit their GPUs through drivers, AMD leans towards open source and letting people use what they paid for. But Nvidia also still keeps a separate line of GPUs for just compute, occasionally bleeds through as a Titan though, and the GTX580/GTX570/780Ti/780 cards.

DX12 hasn't really kicked off. Your average Triple A title takes several years to produce, and there are only 15 released titles so far with any DX12 support at all. Where the consoles go, everyone follows, so we'll have to wait for the new ones to become mainstream before you see a radical shift in gaming engines to DX12.
 
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Then I would say stick with the GTX 1080. It's almost at the "king of the hill" position, & will still be a strong card for some time. Can't guarantee that it'll remain that way for 4-5 years, but then I can't think of the last time any GPU was able to say that.
 
Yea keep the 1080. These days core clock means more than memory speeds. Look at the furyX with its HBM memory. It really didnt help the card any and was still getting beat my nvidia cards with regular memory on them. HBM2 is kinda more of a gimmick really. The cards have become so fast these days that when it does hit and we get them 12000mhz-15000mhz memory speeds i've read about i plan to see only a small gain in performance. Keept the 1080 and worst case you can sell it to someone else if you REALLY want a new amd gpu. Really though that 390 should have been holding you nicely so its up to you.