Need Help about finding a budget CPU Cooler for MSI H110M PRO VH and Cooler Master N200 Case

NonTechSavvySheep · Nov 8, 2016

As the title said, I need to find a cooler because I doubt if the stock cooler is enough. I don't OC or anything fancy hence the Mobo is not for OC. Jakarta is a bit warm, it will be better if the fan is quiet. but if it is loud, it's okay as long as it does better than stock cooler. any alternative other than 212 EVO as I doubt it will fit my case

Here are the rest of my built. I made a slight change (thanks to GamerBoy357 and madmatt30)

Update
after getting a few recommendation from others.
Custom Built Desktop
Enterkomputer.com
Thursday,10th November 2016

MSI H110M-PRO VH (LGA1151, H110, DDR4) (By WPG) Rp 1,055,000

Intel Core i5-6500 3.2Ghz - Cache 6MB [Box] Socket LGA 1151 Rp 2,740,000

Deepcool Gammaxx 400 Rp 304,000

Corsair DDR4 Value 8GB PC17000 - CMV8GX4M1A2133C15 (1 X 8GB) Rp 655,000

Crucial MX300 275GB - CT275MX300SSD1 Rp 1,070,000

WDC 1TB SATA3 64MB - Blue - WD10EZEX Rp 620,000

Asus DVD RW 24X [OEM] Rp 165,000

Seasonic M12II-520 Evo Edition 520W Full Modular Rp 880,000

Cooler Master N200 With Side Window Rp 680,000

Viewsonic 22" VX2263S Rp 1,720,000

Altec Lansing BXR-1321 2.1 Rp 415,000

Total (without GPU): Rp. 10,304,000

Zotac GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB DDR5 OC Series Rp 2,299,000

Total (GTX 1050 Ti): Rp. 12,603,000

Sapphire RX 480 4GB DDR5 Nitro+ OC Rp 2,945,000

Total (RX 480): Rp. 13,249,000

About PSU, if I will use dual monitor will it draw much more power? my plan is to play GTA V in windowed mode, one monitor full for gaming and the other display for opening browsers 8 tabs+ and basic tasks. is 500 W enough for RX 480?

RAM, for my use case, do you think that I should choose 16 GB instead of 8? this is first build, not upgrade

Total (RX 470) - SSD= Rp 11,260,000

Aeacus · Nov 9, 2016

CPU cooler size is determinated by the clearance inside the case and not by the type of the MoBo.

Since you selected Cooler Master N200, it has CPU clearance of 160mm. If you use the 120mm x 25mm side fan then the CPU clearance is 140mm.
source: http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mini-tower/n200/

Here's a list of best air coolers at current date,
link: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpu-coolers,4181.html

Without side fan, you could go with DeepCool Gammaxx 400.
With side fan, Noctua NH-U9DX i4.

NonTechSavvySheep · Nov 9, 2016

Thanks for the list. I choose be quiet shadow rock LP. Will definitely fit in my case and it is quiet enough if im not mistaken. Noctua is good, but a bit expensive for my budget. I won't OC. I mention the mobo because Im not tech savvy, given the fact that my user name is nontechsavvy. So please pardon me. Of course I dont oc

Aeacus · Nov 9, 2016

You need to use low-profile RAM if you're going with be quiet! Shadow Rock LP since it's size is fairly large and will block any use of high-profile RAM sticks.
To put it short, high profile RAM: http://pcpartpicker.com/product/R6RFf7/gskill-memory-f42133c15d8gvr
low profile RAM: http://pcpartpicker.com/product/LK4NnQ/corsair-memory-cmk8gx4m2a2133c13

About RAM, i see that you picked 1x 8GB. Whenever possible, always use 2 sticks of RAM to run them in dual channel. RAM is much faster in dual channel than in single channel.
A nice comparison: http://ram.userbenchmark.com/Compare/HyperX-Fury-DDR4-2133-C14-1x8GB-vs-HyperX-Fury-DDR4-2133-C14-2x4GB/3555vs3554

Since you have non-K CPU (i5-6500) with locked multiplier, you can't OC (overclock) it. If MoBo (motherboard) would be Z-series, then you can do some OC but i do not suggest it.

NonTechSavvySheep · Nov 9, 2016

Okay, I thought be quiet shadow rock lp is fairly small, given thr fact that it is in slim category. So, is corsair value considered as low profile or high profile?

Be quiet shadow rock lp is advertised as compact cooler

Be quiet shadow rock lp
https://www.google.co.id/search?q=be+quiet+shadow+rock+lp&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=visn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi94ZO_p53QAhXLp48KHQNhC-wQ_AUICCgC&biw=601&bih=962

Corsair value 8gb ddr4
https://www.google.com/search?q=Corsair+DDR4+Value+8GB+PC17000+-+CMV8GX4M1A2133C15+(1+X+8GB)&tbm=isch

Update: maybe I should just choose cryorig H7. it is far less expensive and in benchmark it seems to cool off better

Aeacus · Nov 9, 2016

Here's small review about the Be Quiet! CPU cooler from where you can see the RAM clearance issues (3rd picture),
link: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/mini-itx-cpu-air-cooler-round-up,4406-5.html

Corsair Value is low-profile RAM. Every RAM stick that doesn't have high heat spreaders is low-profile.

NonTechSavvySheep · Nov 10, 2016

Aeacus :

update: do you think cryorig H7 will not fit in the case? first you say the clearance is 160mm then you say with the side case fan becomes 140mm, you mean the height and not the width?

http://enterkomputer.com/cooler.php - here is the place where I will do the shopping, if you find any other good alternative please tell me.

CRYORIG H7 - Entry Level Cooler.[Search] Rp 450,000
Deepcool Gammaxx 400 - Fan 12CM LED[Search] Rp 304,000 is this the one that you recommend which works for my case? I might choose this one
be quiet! Shadow Rock LP - Compact Cooling, Significant Quiet[Search] Rp 530,000
Cooler Master HYPER 212X TURBO[Search] Rp 540,000 I doubt if it will fit in my micro ATX case.

if you have anything else better than this http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2467876/alternatives-hyper-212-evo-budget-cooling.html
just let me know

fyi, I use micro ATX not mini ITX.

Cooler Intel Ori LGA 1150/1151[Search] Rp 50,000 I think this is the stock cooler, I'm not sure

Thanks so I don't make a mistake when choosing the RAM. the reason I stick with 1x8GB so I can add another 8 GB of RAM (same brand, same models so it should be fine right) because there's a possibility that I will run VM ware or virtual box for trying out Linux Distro(s).
also my point is to play GTA V and browsing at the same time. so I use dual monitor
I will only play GTA V and Mafia II (I disregard Mafia III because it doesn't look as good and the requirement is very high). that's why I stick with Zotac GTX 1050 Ti OC. so I can buy a cooler, and I don't game often either. s RX 470 is doubtful.

Aeacus · Nov 10, 2016

NonTechSavvySheep :

Yes, i'm talking about height. Cryorig H7 will fit into your case, though DeepCool Gammaxx 400 is better.

NonTechSavvySheep :

If the 2nd RAM stick is the same make and model then you're fine.

GTX 1050 Ti is a good entry-level GPU and it will do fine in games.

NonTechSavvySheep · Nov 10, 2016

I need to clarify this things a bit. Thank you for your time answering the question, seems the deep cool you recommend are more affordable . So when you say the deep cool is better, do you mean better for the price or better because it perform better (it cools like 10 degree celcius) or it is better because it is smaller and less noisier than be quiet shadow rock lp? Sorry that I need clarification because I want to make sure that I dont buy cooler that perform no better than intel stock cooler.

I haven't taken a look about hyper 212x turbo. If it fits, I will choose that one. If it doesn't fit. I will use the one you recommend. I suddenly consider cm 212 because it is about the same price as be quiet dark shadow lp

Aeacus · Nov 10, 2016

By better, i mean by performance.

Here's a review to read,
link: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-gammaxx-400-slim-tower-cpu-cooler,4460-2.html

With Deepcool Gammaxx 400, you don't have any RAM clearance issues and you can use high-profile RAM if you like.

Btw, every aftermarket CPU cooler performs better than Intel's stock cooler.

As far as your PSU goes, Antec VP series is a Tier three PSU.
PSU Tier list: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html
I suggest that you get at least Tier two PSU, preferably Tier one if you could afford it.

Anything from Seasonic is great.
link: https://seasonic.com/product-category/consumer-products/?filter_wattage-range=33
For you, e.g. S12II-520, M12II-520 EVO or G-550.

Btw, your dual monitors don't draw power from your PSU, they have their own power cord which to plug into a wall socket.

NonTechSavvySheep · Nov 10, 2016

Okay then, if the deepcool gammaxx 400 performs better (lower heat) than hyper 212x. I will choose deepcool. Seems like a good choice to me. I thought vp is okay. well I dont oc anyway, just regular. MIght push the gpu a bit. i forgot that monitor is not connected to motherboard.
I will take a look at hyper 212x. Because if deepcool is better than that. it will help me reduce my budget. Is gtx 1050ti able to run latest game at 1080p lowest settings? I don't plan to play those games. If im going to play I mightend up buying better gpu. I dont do VR.

last question and I will mark it solved, do you think I will benefit from 16 GB of ram if I use dual monitor, one monitor for gaming and recording with shadow play and the other one for task like opening 8 tabs+, compressing files and watching downloaded videos at the same time from other display. You said that it won't strain the gpu. so i wont get major frame rate drop if i play in windowed mode 1080p? I dont mind if I have to turn the graphics down a bit as long it still on par or slightly below ps4 graphics and better than ps3/xbox 360.

I know it is compulsive, do you say that antec vp will likely to fail?
If i dont choose rx 480, then I must have plenty of head room then

madmatt30 · Nov 10, 2016

Did I not point you to the deepcool gamaxx 300 on a different thread ??

It is honestly more than enough for a locked i5 .
I use one on an old i5 3570 & have never seen above 55c with near silence on the fan

Its dirt cheap, has Pre applied paste & is incredibly easy to fit.you can spend more but there is honestly no need to.

NonTechSavvySheep · Nov 10, 2016

Hi madmatt welcome back, no you didn't point that. and i didn't even ask you about the cooler at that time. i read the thread sent from the other guy just now, it is noisier than be quiet shadow rock slim, but cooerl better than shadow rock slim, i haven't compared it with hyper 212 evo.

Well as long as it is far less noisy than intel stock cooler, i will definetely get one. i dont think i will take rx 470. I dont game often. if i game often. that rx 470 is far a better value.

I will consider anw, thanks for your help. i mentioned your name at the thread s

madmatt30 · Nov 10, 2016

I mention the gammaxx 300 mate simy because its so cheap & as a replacement for a stock amd /Intel cooler it just does a great job.

Its also novice friendly , 2 minutes to fit & the paste is pre-applued for you.
It'll suit your build down to the ground.

regarding the PSU, the antec is a budget unit but solid enough .

What GPU are you going with ??
If it were the 1050ti you would get away with the xfx ts 430 which is a rock solid seasonic made unit.

Aeacus · Nov 10, 2016

NonTechSavvySheep :

You're looking medium settings on 1080p with GTX 1050 Ti. Going with High settings might cause some lag.

Dual, triple, quad etc monitor setup doesn't depend on RAM. Instead it depends on GPU. With GTX 1050 Ti, you can connect up to 3 monitors into it and run them with up to 7680 x 4320 resolution (4K).

Having 16GB of RAM is needed if you do video rendering or play the latest AAA games (e.g. Deus Ex: Mankind Divided). Other than that, you do fine with 8GB if it's in dual channel.

About PSUs (and all electronics in general), they all fill fail eventually since nothing lasts for forever. For PSU, the better build quality it has, the more stable current it can deliver and hold. If the PSU fails to deliver or hold the stable current, it can fry the components it's connected to and/or fry itself too.

Antec VP has only 80+ efficiency. I don't look towards any PSU that has lower efficiency than 80+ Bronze.
Since you don't plan on using RX 480, you do just fine with 400W range PSU. Here i suggest either a Seasonic S12II-430 (80+ Bronze, fully wired, Tier two) or Seasonic G-450 (80+ Gold, semi-modular, Tier two).

madmatt30 · Nov 10, 2016

^ to be fair the only reason the antec doesn't have a bronze rating is because its a 220-240v only model.

Bronze specification dictates that a PSU has to be multi voltage 110-120/220-240 with auto switching.

NonTechSavvySheep · Nov 10, 2016

Aeacus :

Thanks anyway, I only play 2 GTA V and Mafia II. okay, medium settings for most game is fine. in GTA V I could turn the settings up a bit since I see lesser CPU (GTX 750 ti) can have high settings just fine on 1080p (40 fps+). well The GPU which I don't really quite get the answer, will I take a massive fps drop if I use dual monitor. I mean I know that this GPU can set up to 3 monitors (I already read the specs from the official site). what I ask is whether the fps will take a massive drop (10fps or above) or not.

I think I will take this Seasonic M12II-520 Evo Edition 520W Full Modular Rp 880,000. as you recommend PSU.
someone from other threads (EvooHD if not mistaken) recommend the 620W version. well pascal use even less power. that PSU is less expensive than the Seasonic G 450. I take 520 watt just in case that I will upgrade to GTX 1070 in 2 years or 3 years. I don't know. my friends and a few other people from here always recommend me 500 W or not. well if not seasonic then AMP. what I don't know about the PSU is how do I find out how many Amps do I need, I always find the answer for watt, but not the voltage or Amp.

Aeacus · Nov 10, 2016

madmatt30 :

After checking the Antec VP500P specs, found out that it doesn't have the 80+ certificate at all.
Another thing to see is that even Antec itself doesn't trust it's own PSU by giving it only 2 years of warranty.
specs: http://www.antec.com/product.php?id=706329&fid=5022051&lan=nz

While Seasonic, who knows what they are doing (being in business for over 40 years), have all their consumer PSUs certified with the minimum of 80+ Bronze and they give minimum of 5 years of warranty to their consumer PSUs (except ECO-430 which has 3 years of warranty).

NonTechSavvySheep :

If you game on both monitor at the same time then FPS will drop since GPU has to work twice as hard. But if you game on 1st monitor and 2nd monitor is for browsing the web, then the FPS drop would be low.

You can use the power supply calculator to find about approximate voltage levels of your build,
link: http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

And you can go for M12II-520 EVO. It's fully modular and you can use GTX 1070 with it just fine.

NonTechSavvySheep · Nov 10, 2016

madmatt30 :

in that case I will take gammaxx 400 (the price difference from Gammaxx is very tiny) I was about to go higher on PSU watts (about 620). well, since you already recommend 400 ish watt, then I can hit 500 W and it should be safe as long as it is good quality PSU right?
if I OC GTX 1050ti OC, does it consume a lot of power? when they say 75 W means that they consume 75 max under heavy load right? I know that GTX 1050 Ti OC performs like GTX 960 (and 6 months ago, I plan to get GTX 960). now that I find GTX 1050Ti is less expensive than GTX 950 and GTX 960, why not choose that card. I only plan to play 2 or 3 games right now (Mafia II, GTA V and "probably" L.A Noire). older games right? and since I plan to have dual monitor setup. first screen game and recording (or just recording) on window mode and the other screen for browsing, watching video and other staffs. can GTX 1050 ti handle it well? I thought they use Integrated Graphic card on less intensive task. like Nvidia and IGPU do its own thing at the same time?

if I use RX 480, how much power does it take when I OC the card?I read that sapphire RX 480 Nitro 4 GB recommended to have 500 W PSU. I don't know if OCing consumes much more than that.

madmatt30 · Nov 10, 2016

The seasonic is a good choice .
Amps,watts etc.

The majority of power a PC requires is on the 12v line
When you look at PSU specs , the 3.3v & 5v rails are insignificant at best.

This site lists specs of the 520 seasonic.

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/520w-seasonic-m1211-520-evo-full-modular-80-plus-bronze-atx-psu

The 12v shows 40 amps
To convert that to wattage you simply multiply the amps by the voltage
12x40= 480w
So that unit has 480w available for major components which are essentially the CPU, GPU , fans & drives +30w or so for the motherboard.
A good PSU will always be able to supply 90% of it's labelled power through the 12v which the seasonic does easily.

You could run any currently available GPU on that PSU with a locked i5 (apart from maybe the amd 390x which would be cutting it fine)

Multi monitor use on one GPU - you may lose 1-2fps worst case scenario running a second monitor for general 2d desktop use while gaming

You could actually run the second screen from the intel graphics by plugging it into a motherboard output rather than the GPU output.
In which case there is absolute zero performance hit.

Rx 480 - absolute max its capable of drawing is 225w (you would never be able to overclock it to that extreme though)
Generally sits at 140w gaming load & 170w under full stress.

NonTechSavvySheep · Nov 10, 2016

Thanks for all the help
I guess about optical disk, I just buy dvd instead of blu ray. I haven't decided yet, but I can tell for sure that there are a few occasions which requires me to use optical disk instead of flash drive. I migh or might not watch 1080p movies.
So the conclusion
Gammaxx 400
Seasonic M112 Evo 520 watt (i was about to choose 620 watt)
8 gb RAM.
Dual monitor (gaming and browsing at once)

NonTechSavvySheep · Nov 10, 2016

Thanks for all the support. To be honest I had a buyer remorse once after purchasing a laptop. specs were i7 4720 hq 2,4 Ghz ,4 GB Ram 1 tb 5400 hard disk and 940m. i thought it could run gta v at 720p high settings. WEll it can, but it strains my gpu and cpu. And the laptop is sluggish for even basic task like windows, my office desktop has i3 3240 8gb of ram and adata sp550 240 gb and it feels smoother than this expensive laptop. thats why I want ssd as well. if 8 gb ram slows me down then I will add 16 gb. yeah, I will use VGA port from mobo for the 2nd display and dvi port for gaming. Thats the plan. thanks for madmatt30 as well for helping me in the previous thread.

madmatt30 · Nov 10, 2016

I have a bluray & in all fairness never really use it.
Actual bluray playback software on bluray is sketchy at best & I barleynuse it for anything actually bluray related.

Stick with a standard DVD drivenia my advice at the most.

I would honestly go with an RX card if you can , they're incomparable to the 1050ti on a performance level.

NonTechSavvySheep · Nov 10, 2016

madmatt30 :

Okay, your suggestion is noted. hence that I already list the alternative built. It will be useful if I only start playing a lot of games, I don't want to sacrifice the SSD. if not Crucial MX 300 then Galax SSD 240 GB. I might sacrifice hard drive, but not SSD. thanks for saving me the headache
I have a plan to use Galax SSD 240 GB for my laptop.
I still consider about RX 480 though. if I have plenty of budget, I might go to RX 480. The reason that I have to limit the budget for desktop is because I allocate some of the budgets for a laptop. I think laptop with i3 ULV processors abd 4 or 8 GB of rams will be good. though it will be in separate question

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