Good PC???? Quick reply pls!

JoJoTech · Nov 12, 2016

Budget is: $2600 CAD

I came up with this:
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/8NyRzM

Edit:
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/nkb66X

Barty1884 · Nov 12, 2016

Good .... for? Gaming I assume with the hardware.

A 6700K and GTX 1080 are complete wastes at 1080p resolution (the monitor you picked out).

1060-1070 for 1080p
1070-1080 for 1440p
1080-TitanX(p) for 4K

An i5-6600K is the max you'll need from a CPU standpoint at 1080p. At 1440p, and especially 4K, the i7 certainly shows some gains (not ~$100 worth of gains to justify the price vs the i5 IMO, but gains none the less)

Isokolon · Nov 12, 2016

- PSU is low grade
- case fans are poor
- liquid cooling is unneccessary
- why 2x1TB instead of 1x2TB?

Barty1884 · Nov 12, 2016

@Isokolon

The PSU is not 'low grade', it could be better, but it's not exactly junk (quality PSUs for a decent price are hard to come by in Canada for the most part).

Is liquid cooling ever 'necessary'? :lol:

captaincharisma · Nov 12, 2016

Barty1884 :

especially when water and electronics do not mix lol

Corsair PSU's are far from junk but just like every PSU it depends on the model

Isokolon · Nov 12, 2016

Barty1884 :

sorry but the Corsair RM is low grade, especially for it's price. I'd take the CXM650 any day over the RM650.
yes, control and ripple is good, but the capacitors are just very poor, no heatsink on the VRM,
the unit they sent to JohnnyGuru had poor soldering work as well.

for 125$ I'd never get that unit.

especially when you can get a RM650x for the same price and a RM550x for less, which will easily power the rig

for the 125$ displayed on pcpartpicker, you can also get an EVGA SuperNova P2 650W, which is far superior to the RM

Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($124.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $124.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-12 17:24 EST-0500

Barty1884 · Nov 12, 2016

Can you link the RM750 article? I can find 750i and 750x....
For the RM line, I can find the 650: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=363

While, like I said, it's not the best in existence, it's also far from the worst. The 750 variant though, is not made by CWT like the rest of the lineup (450-650 and 1000W), it's made by Chicony, so build quality and performance may well be different.

Good call on the P2 though, quality PSU and ideal for the build the OP proposed.. For the money, after rebate, I'm a big fan of the B2 750W: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/JYyFf7/evga-power-supply-110b20750vr ($85 after rebate)

I'd be more inclined to opt for the 650 GS over the 650 P2 though, consider it's also quality, efficiency doesn't matter too-too much when you're at Silver+, and it's also $30 cheaper (removing rebates from the equation) and still $10 less after factoring in the P2 rebate (although it's tempting to look at the P2 at that point).

Isokolon · Nov 12, 2016

Barty1884 :

I apologize, I wasn't aware that the RM750 was factored by a different OEM. Although Chicony doesn't really sound much better than CWT.

as for P2 vs GS -- it's a matter of if you prefer Seasonic or Super Flower. But yes, can't go with any P2 / G2 / GS there. or the RMx.
since pcpartpicker is having issues with me today, or the other way around and it feels like I got a 2000ms ping to that page only today, I didn't look around.
generally 550W should be more than enough for this build, a single GPU setup even with a GTX1080 will not draw more than 400W tops from the grid.

JoJoTech · Nov 12, 2016

Yes I'm looking to game with this for years! Mainly Simulators, Shooters and racing!

Barty1884 · Nov 12, 2016

At what resolution? Like I said, a 1080p monitor & a GTX 1080 are a wasted pairing.

With a $2,600 CAD budget, from a gaming perspective I'd suggest this:

1080p:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($307.75 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($99.89 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170A-X1/3.1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($119.98 @ NCIX)
Memory: Avexir Core Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($124.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB WINDFORCE OC 6G Video Card ($344.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($117.75 @ shopRBC)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($172.25 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1674.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-12 18:06 EST-0500

1440p:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($448.75 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($99.89 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170A-X1/3.1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($119.98 @ NCIX)
Memory: Avexir Core Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($124.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($529.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($117.75 @ shopRBC)
Monitor: Acer G257HU smidpx 25.0" 60Hz Monitor ($349.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $2178.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-12 18:01 EST-0500

4K

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($448.75 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($99.89 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170A-X1/3.1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($119.98 @ NCIX)
Memory: Avexir Core Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($124.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1080 8GB AMP! Edition Video Card ($804.97 @ NCIX)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($117.75 @ shopRBC)
Monitor: Asus MG24UQ 23.6" 60Hz Monitor ($449.98 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $2553.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-12 18:03 EST-0500

Now a 1070 wouldnt necessarily be out of place at 1080p, nor a 1080 at 1440p...... but it gives you ideas.

None of these builds include a keyboard/mouse though.

JoJoTech · Nov 12, 2016

I edited a bit: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/nkb66X

CV_Taihou · Nov 12, 2016

This still leaves $400 to pick up a keyboard and mouse of your choice. Could also get some custom sleeved cables, LED lighting if you want to make it look better still, or upgrade to the I7 if you really want to

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/HX3Xnn
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/HX3Xnn/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($307.75 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($99.98 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: MSI Z170A KRAIT GAMING 3X ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($179.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($124.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($153.98 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.75 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1070 8GB STRIX Video Card ($539.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV ATX ATX Mid Tower Case ($199.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ DirectCanada)
Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F140SP_BK 82.1 CFM 140mm Fan ($21.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 24.0" 144Hz Monitor ($359.50 @ Vuugo)
Total: $2197.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-12 18:02 EST-0500

JoJoTech · Nov 12, 2016

I'm not sure what one to get....

Isokolon · Nov 13, 2016

CV_Taihou's build is the most balanced imo, although he spends money in questionable places (200$ case looks good but serves little value)

as for Barty1884's builds:
I'd go with higher clocked RAM.
the ND-15 as cooler is overkill. (as is the Dark Rock Pro in CV's). you can't really push a Skylake CPU beyond 100W. A Cryorig H7 can easily handle it, an H5 if you wanna be on the save side. but no need for a 100$ cooler.
for overclocking I'd get a slightly better board. the picked ASRock is pretty basic. only 5 power phases, only 2 fan headers, a budget audio chip
as to why the need for an i7 is dependant on resolution, I don't see the point. resolution puts load on the GPU not at all on the CPU. an i7 will perform exactly the same whether @1080p or @4k resolutions. as will the i5.
that being said, if you can afford it, an i7 is nice with dx12. but it's not mandatory, more of a luxury purchase.
no hard feelings, I don't want to rip in to you Barty, but there's no reason to get a better CPU with increasing display resolution

personally, without being able to access pcpartpicker for some reason, I'd go with:

CpU: i7-6700k / i5-6600k (depending on your funds)
Cooler: Cryorig H7 / H5
board: Gigabyte Z170 UD3 / ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming K4 / Asus Pro Gaming
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX / Kingston HyperX DDR4-2800 or above (3000/3200)
Storage: Crucial MX300 is plenty fast imo. but the Samsung Evo 850 is a bit faster. not worth it imo but it's preference.
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M / Fractal Design Define S / Thermaltake F31
PSU: EVGA Supernova GS / G2 / P2 (whatever you find cheapest) 550W is fine, if the 650W costs around the same, it won't hurt.
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1080 8GB AMP! Edition - or whatever 1080 you find cheapest, really not much of a difference
Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F140SP_BK 82.1 CFM 140mm Fan

monitor: I'd get a 1440p monitor with G-Sync

Barty1884 · Nov 13, 2016

Isokolon

1. Higher clocked RAM is nice, and if it works in the budget, then absolutely - go for it.
That being said, the price difference between the 2400MHz kit I used, and the 3200MHz by CV is $35. IMO, there's just not ~40% improvements to justify the difference in price.

2. A H7 may well do the job, but it's also not available in Canada..... Cryorig will send you one (I asked), but it ends up costing around $100 after shipping. I like the NH-D15, it's a great cooler - even if the OP doesn't OC, or not substantially - the NH-D15 will still keep the CPU cooler than most other air options (admittedly, a degree or two different isn't a huge deal at all). You could get by with a $20-$30 212EVO also, but it kind of loses any real balance in the system. High end components throughout.....and a budget cooler.

3. Your comment on the board, doesn't really match your comment on the cooler - although my pairing was guilty of the reverse. The ASRock board is fine (especially for the price) and will allow some decent overclocking with it's power delivery. Not going to break any records by any means..... but if you suggest pairing it with something like an H5/H7, then you wouldn't be breaking records there either. Likewise, if you go for the NH-D15 (and plan to OC substantially), a slightly better board would never be a bad idea.

4. 4K (depending on the title) can be more demanding on the CPU, with the i7 showing performance gains of varying degrees depending on the title. Worst case, they perform identical - best case, the i7 comes out ahead (especially in min FPS).
If the OP sticks to 1080 or 1440p, then the i5 is more than adequate (that should've been a 6600K in my 1440p recommendation), but at 4K - the i7 is a smart move.

No offence, not looking to get into an argument here - but if you couldn't access PCPP, then you kind of missed a lot of the Canadian pricing 'quirks'. That build (or general idea) looks great, and would actually be great value for money in the US, but a little less so in Canada. Some of the suggestions (MX300) actually is cheaper.... and the Gigabye board is negligible.

Even taking the cheapest of your suggestions, it comes in at over $2,000 CAD before a monitor (and even a 1080p G-Sync monitor is going to cost ~$500 CAD). Now sure, that just about works in the OP's budget, but it's kind of a waste IMO (and would then have them running a GTX 1080 at 1080p w/G-Sync....

I'd be inclined to recommend an i5-6600K paired with a 1070 and a nice 1080p monitor.
No need to spend any more than $1,900 or so. And a great setup.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($307.75 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($37.95 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($133.00 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Avexir Core Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING Video Card ($519.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($65.00 @ Amazon Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($117.75 @ shopRBC)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 24.0" 144Hz Monitor ($359.50 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1922.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-13 11:24 EST-0500

Isokolon · Nov 13, 2016

Yeah as said, I can't access pcpartpicker (ty ISP) so I gotta go with experience there.

1. If the difference is that big, it's not worth it. Just 3000MHz Ram is about 20$(US) more than 2400MHz. Yes this is significantly more but in absolute numbers it's merely 20$.

2./3. the difference is that the H7 or the 212 can easily cool a chip well beyond its max capability. You can get stable 4.8 GHz with a 212, if your i7 can handle it as the i7 doesn't get too hot and doesn't draw too much power.
However this doesn't apply to the board as it concerns the Power distribution. Furthermore it has less Features than more expensive boards. If those are worth it - well imo they are but I can accept if people see this differently.
Also the quality of AsRock board is nowhere near the quality of Asus or Gigabyte especially in a low price segment.

If it's an issue of availability, I'd go with a Noctua U12S instead of the ND15. It's more than sufficient and usually somewhat cheaper than the premium ND15

4. Still not convinced 4k would put more load on the CPU. Higher resolutions require more pixels rendered by the GPU, all the CPU does in games isn't really dependent on resolution, as AI and game mechanics are the same whether on 4k or 640x480.
What's true is that depending on the directx level used and the game engine an i7 is faster than an i5. But that's the case @1080p as well.

GPU depends on the screen. If op wants a 24'' screen, yeah a 1070+ a 1080p screen is fine, although id still go with a 1440p. You usually don't upgrade your Screen nearly as often as your GPU and 1080p is starting to get irrelevant.

For a 27'' screen 1080p looks just poor. 2k is the minimum resolution imo for it to look good

So it depends on the budget. If the budget allows for a 1440p G-Sync Screen + a 1080 then it's definitely the Way to go.
If it's not, a 1070 and a cheap 1440p screen can be nice, as could a 1070 and a 144Hz 1080p screen. But that really depends on personal preference.

Also none taken, I enjoy the discussion. I just know for a fact that as of late my idiomology is pretty confrontational although it's not intended.

That being said the above build looks pretty decent!

Barty1884 · Nov 13, 2016

On the motherboard features argument, it's a matter of opinion. The "better" audio, more SATA ports etc, etc won't matter much to most users. Valid argument none-the-less.

ASRock from a 'quality' standpoint are pretty decent these days. I prefer ASUS personally, but have no issues in recommending ASRock. As for the power delivery, I totally agree, it's not the best in existence. Still more than capable though.

I'm trying to find definitive benchmarks etc for 4K where the CPU shows gains - but I can't seem to track it down. I've put a call out to others, as it's been debated before - and higher resolution certainly *can* benefit (admittedly, not in 100% of cases/titles though).

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