Anything worth of upgrading?

Wilhem991 · Nov 17, 2016

Hello,

I am woundering is my pc worth of upgrading on slight level. I do not want spend too much. I am woundering what next upgrade i will benefit most.
This is my part list bellow: Case is LC power but i can not find it here on list.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/9wfJtJ
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/9wfJtJ/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI H110M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($52.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($53.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: AMD 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($76.50 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 960 4GB Video Card ($317.33 @ OutletPC)
Case: BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Corsair)
Total: $805.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-17 06:57 EST-0500

Thank you for all suggestions

xFeaRDom · Nov 17, 2016

What is your budget? An exact/estimated amount would help. There are a couple of upgrades, but nothing will benefit you too much, as your build is still pretty good.

misteriosly · Nov 17, 2016

Prolly the biggest upgrade would be another stick of ram.
And maybe in the future GPU, when you feel that this one struggles with majority of the games you play.
But most likely if you upgrade GPU, you would need to upgrade CPU to match their productivity, which may result in a MB change too.
Else its pretty good build overall.

Wilhem991 · Nov 17, 2016

I do not have exact amount. Money is not the issue. I just does not want upgrade too much since most of games i play is few years old and i play them on highest settings 1080p without issue. Just for recent games it struggles a bit.
And why should i change MB? If i choose some CPU of same socket should not that be enough for cpu?

xFeaRDom · Nov 17, 2016

misteriosly :

+1

Adding onto that, I will recommend buying a 2x8GB kit of RAM, as you can never be sure buying another seperate 8GB Stick of RAM will work, even if it is the exact same, additionally, buying Dual-Channel RAM will also allow it to add a little boost compared to 2 seperate sticks of RAM.

Wilhem991 · Nov 17, 2016

xFeaRDom :

I might be annoying but is there any proof of that? I wanna see is or how much is difference between 2 separately bought sticks of same ram or pack of 2 rams buy as 1 kit. I assume my next buy will be ram than

xFeaRDom · Nov 17, 2016

Wilhem991 :

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/326321-30-single-memory-dual-channel

I recommend buying a kit of 2x8GB RAM, purely because of the fact that 2 seperate RAM (Even if they are the exact same) may not be able to boot together, and therefore the money is wasted on buying the new RAM, but if you buy a kit of RAM, in most cases, unless one is faulty, they will boot if supported.

Wilhem991 · Nov 17, 2016

xFeaRDom :

Wilhem991 :

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/326321-30-single-memory-dual-channel

I recommend buying a kit of 2x8GB RAM, purely because of the fact that 2 seperate RAM (Even if they are the exact same) may not be able to boot together, and therefore the money is wasted on buying the new RAM, but if you buy a kit of RAM, in most cases, unless one is faulty, they will boot if supported.

sooo... If i did understund well. i will not benefit at all from 1 more stick of ram 8 gb. Is better to sell this one as used and buy same rams just dual channel kit?
What else? what else i will benefit from? Is worth upgrading from i5 6400 to i5 6500 or 6600?

xFeaRDom · Nov 17, 2016

Wilhem991 :

xFeaRDom :

sooo... If i did understund well. i will not benefit at all from 1 more stick of ram 8 gb. Is better to sell this one as used and buy same rams just dual channel kit?
What else? what else i will benefit from? Is worth upgrading from i5 6400 to i5 6500 or 6600?

You will benefit, if the new stick of RAM you buy works.

If you really want to, you can buy another stick of RAM of the exact model as yours and hope that it works, personally, that's what I did a while back, and I had no issues, but I don't exactly want to risk saying, oh yeah, it's fine, just buy another one and it'll work 100%, because it isn't true.

There is a chance it will work, and a chance it wont work, it just depends on your preference.

misteriosly · Nov 17, 2016

Well if you go for a unlocked CPU, you would definitely need a better motherboard, one that has heat sinks on vrms and that can OC it.
But as i said in future, since your CPU currently is better than your GPU i think.
And for ram, exchange your single stick for 2x8 dual channel.

Wilhem991 · Nov 17, 2016

So to sum all up. My future upgrades should be
1) RAM to 16 gb
2) GPU to ??? 1060? 1070? RX 480?
3) CPU to? i5 6500? 6600? might i7 6700?

I don't want to change MB i am good with not overclockable CPU.

xFeaRDom · Nov 17, 2016

Wilhem991 :

If you're considering the 1070 just get rid of AMD GPUs, as the RX480 is on 1060 standard, or near it anyway. The only increase in performance that is majorly noticed, is the GTX 1070, which is recommended to be used with 1440p resolution monitors.

The CPU, depending on how much you're willing to spend, can be upgraded to a 6600K, i7's are only really useful for Rendering and other software that uses threads, and it doesn't really create a major difference in most games. This upgrade wouldn't really show much of a performance increase, unless you overclock to 4.2GHz+/-, but the 6400 is more than capable of most games nowadays, and isn't really worth upgrading at your current standard.

misteriosly · Nov 17, 2016

1) RAM to 16 gb
2) bigger or second SSD
OR
2) GPU to 1060 or better, only then you might see performance increase.
If you are @ 1080p 1060 is good, anything bigger than that (like 1440p and higher res) would require 1070+.

3) CPU to i5 6600k or better if you want to see any performance gain.
So to sum it, upgrade your ram.
Next upgrade will be GPU, when you feel that its not enough for the games you play. Else don't touch it.

About CPU, probably you should wait for kaby lake or the gen after that.
Which may again as i said, require you to change motherboard.
Not sure if this one will get bios update for kaby and next gen.
Intel said that kaby lake and the generation after that will be on the same socket.

About GPU, get MSI afterburner and monitor GPU usage + temp and CPU usage + temp.
When you start getting 100% GPU/CPU usage and majority of games that you play start to lag, then is the time to upgrade them. If you don't want to lower the game settings of course.

Slumy__57 · Nov 17, 2016

Wilhem991 :

I mean, if you can afford it, an i7 6700 with 16 gigs of ram and a 1070 would be your best option performance wise. So if you just want to get the most out of your pc, that would be the way to go. If you don't want to spend a ton of money but still get a decent performance boost, keep your processor, or go for an i5 6600, 16 gigs of ram, and a 1060 6gb. That's more or less the setup I run and it's a great setup for 1080p.

Wilhem991 · Nov 17, 2016

misteriosly :

2) why bigger or 2nd SSD I use it just for Windows and steam (just program not games) since i press power button in aprox 10 second is up and ready to use. so i do not feel it needs to be faster.

2) Will my 6400 CPU hold up with 1060? will it bottleneck?

xFeaRDom · Nov 17, 2016

Wilhem991 :

misteriosly :

2) why bigger or 2nd SSD I use it just for Windows and steam (just program not games) since i press power button in aprox 10 second is up and ready to use. so i do not feel it needs to be faster.

2) Will my 6400 CPU hold up with 1060? will it bottleneck?

I don't see the point in a second SSD either, unless it is a larger on to install games onto for faster read/write speeds etc.

And an upgrade to a 6600 from a 6400 is kind of pointless, the only difference is 0.5GHz, which again, isn't really worth paying $200 for a brand new CPU.

spdragoo · Nov 17, 2016

Wilhem991 :

The CPU is OK, but the 6500 would be a better choice.

For that price, there's no point in getting a GTX 960 when you can get the 1060 (6GB model) for much cheaper.

Also, can't find the PSU on the tier list (http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html). Doesn't mean it's bad, but since it wasn't even listed in the "Un-tiered" section, I'd hesitate to use it. Especially when EVGA's SuperNOVA G2 series (Tier 1) is available for cheaper.

And yes, operating in dual-channel mode allows for some memory performance improvement. Even if it's only a 10-15% improvement, if you can get the improvement by buying 2 smaller paired sticks for the price of the bigger stick (with the same total RAM), why wouldn't you do it?

And you need the savings, because there's no price listed for your Samsung Spinpoint HDD...which I've never even heard of before.

Basically, I would recommend the following (just a few tweaks from your parts list):

PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/list/HbNfhq): / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($190.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI H110M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($52.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($51.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($94.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Xtreme Gaming Video Card ($275.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $819.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-17 09:54 EST-0500

Basically, for $15 USD more than the parts list you had, you get:
-- a better CPU
-- RAM that operates in dual-channel mode
-- a better GPU
-- larger-capacity SSD for the same price
-- a better-rated PSU

Wilhem991 · Nov 17, 2016

spdragoo :

Wilhem991 :

The CPU is OK, but the 6500 would be a better choice.

For that price, there's no point in getting a GTX 960 when you can get the 1060 (6GB model) for much cheaper.

Also, can't find the PSU on the tier list (http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html). Doesn't mean it's bad, but since it wasn't even listed in the "Un-tiered" section, I'd hesitate to use it. Especially when EVGA's SuperNOVA G2 series (Tier 1) is available for cheaper.

And yes, operating in dual-channel mode allows for some memory performance improvement. Even if it's only a 10-15% improvement, if you can get the improvement by buying 2 smaller paired sticks for the price of the bigger stick (with the same total RAM), why wouldn't you do it?

And you need the savings, because there's no price listed for your Samsung Spinpoint HDD...which I've never even heard of before.

Basically, I would recommend the following (just a few tweaks from your parts list):

PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/list/HbNfhq): / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($190.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI H110M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($52.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($51.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($94.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Xtreme Gaming Video Card ($275.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $819.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-17 09:54 EST-0500

Basically, for $15 USD more than the parts list you had, you get:
-- a better CPU
-- RAM that operates in dual-channel mode
-- a better GPU
-- larger-capacity SSD for the same price
-- a better-rated PSU

I do not know did you read title?

I allready own this. i am asking what is best upgrade tot what to buy for new buld hehe

misteriosly · Nov 17, 2016

A big no for i5-6500, it will barely make any difference. No use to throw money for such a small gain.

@xFeaR as i said 6600K not 6600, will make performance difference. Yes not day and night but still, if he OC's it.
SSD for games, would improve loading times.
GPU when he needs it.
The way i see it, he isn't in a hurry to upgrade, so we are just pointing out what will improve his current configuration.
Never said that any of those is a must, except ram maybe.

Edit: go for 16g ram, not 2x4.

Slumy__57 · Nov 17, 2016

Long story short, my advice to you is a 6 gig 1060, and 16 gigs of ram. If you aren't happy with your processors performance, it wouldn't be a big deal to just buy a new one later.

xFeaRDom · Nov 17, 2016

misteriosly :

6600K is a fair upgrade, except the motherboard will need to be upgraded too, which is another $150-ish, on top of the $220 or whatever is the 6600K is, when I said the 6600 isn't a fair upgrade, it wasn't directed at you, it was more directed at @Slumy

Wilhem991 · Nov 17, 2016

Ok. Thanx all for help

spdragoo · Nov 17, 2016

Sorry, I guess I misunderstood.

In that case, it depends on a) your budget, b) what resolution you play at on your monitor, & c) what games you're playing.

-- If you're gaming at sub-1080p resolutions (i.e. 1366x768, 720p, or even 1600x900), then you don't need to upgrade anything.
-- If you're gaming at 1080p resolutions, but have a limited budget, then replace your GTX 960 with the GTX 1060.
-- If you have a bigger budget, & you're thinking of getting a new monitor that can get up to 1440p resolutions and/or 144Hz refresh rates, then consider replacing the PSU (the EVGA SuperNOVA one I mentioned would be a great model) & consider getting a GTX 1070.
-- If your budget is unlimited, & you're thinking of even going to 4K resolutions, or are considering some streaming in your possible future, then replace the PSU, get a GTX 1080, & consider doubling your RAM to 16GB (matching your RAM for dual-channel capability would be best, so it would be easier to buy a brand-new 2x8GB set rather than trying to match your current stick).

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