Should i get a gaming pc with an i3 6100 rx 470 or a i5 4440 and gtx 1050 ti?

Jack Harkness · Nov 17, 2016

What should i get? If i would be using it till may of 2018?

CTurbo · Nov 17, 2016

I would rather have the i3 + 470

amtseung · Nov 17, 2016

i3 6300 + 1050ti would get my vote.

Jack Harkness · Nov 17, 2016

CTurbo :

But games seem to be needing four cores more and more lately

geofelt · Nov 17, 2016

Jack Harkness :

I3 has the same 4 threads as an I5.
Only, some of the threads are faster.
Ultimately, it will depend on the types of games you will play.

For games in this review, the i3-6100 does well:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10543/the-skylake-core-i3-51w-cpu-review-i3-6320-6300-6100-tested

CTurbo · Nov 17, 2016

But games seem to be needing four cores more and more lately

People have been saying that for years and it's still not true. The i3 6100 beats the 9 core FX8350 in almost every game.

amtseung · Nov 17, 2016

Jack Harkness :

The i5 4440 isn't worth getting, especially since it's 1.5 generations back, and currently more expensive (on newegg, anyway) than the i5 4460, the CPU I currently am using, and a refreshed version of the i5 4440. We're pointing you at Skylake options since even Skylake is about to become 1 generation old, and is cheaper to build overall. There's really no real point in getting Haswell Refresh CPU's anymore, let alone first gen Haswell, unless you can score it for an absurdly low cost, or already have a high end LGA1150 motherboard and lots of expensive DDR3.

LGA1150 motherboards aren't getting any cheaper either, and you can get a better motherboard of the LGA1151 variety for the same cost of an 1150 board. DDR3 costs are slowly going up at this point, since DDR4 has become the mainstream. For example, 2x4GB DDR3 kits that used to cost $35 are now $60. 2x4GB DDR4 kits that used to cost $65 are now $35.

If you could scrounge the cash together, I'd say i5 6500 and the RX470. After that, would be the i5 6500 and the 1050ti, then an i5 6400 and a 1050ti, then an i3 6300 and a 1050ti. Do you already own parts that you plan on re-using, or is this a build from scratch?

Based purely on the two options you gave us, i'd pick the Skylake + RX470 also.

amtseung · Nov 17, 2016

CTurbo :

Minor correction: 8 cores.

CTurbo · Nov 17, 2016

Minor correction: 8 cores.

Yep just a typo on my part. Sorry.

Jack Harkness · Nov 17, 2016

CTurbo :

It's a prebuilt i would be replacing the power supply with one i already had and putting in the gtx 1050 ti and i'm spending £250 for everything but the graphics card and i would be playing games like gta 5 witcher 3 just cause 3 battlefield 4 battlefield 1

amtseung · Nov 17, 2016

Jack Harkness :

It's a prebuilt. I see.

Here's my two cents to you: sell the whole tower, keep your existing PSU and GTX 1050ti, and just build a new rig from the ground up. Get a cheap case, an inexpensive B150 or H110 motherboard, a 2x4gb memory kit, and an i3 6300 or i5 6500 or something. It'll be a world apart from what you currently have, and I bet, still well within your budget.

Jack Harkness · Nov 17, 2016

amtseung :

i don't actually have the computer yet i would be buying the build but i couldn't afford an i3 6300 i am literally about £5 from my budget being done with the i3 6100 build and i would be getting a 320gb hard drive where as with the i5 build i would be getting 1tb

CTurbo · Nov 17, 2016

@ Jack Harkness. You are going about this the wrong way. You should be saying,

"This is my budget _____, what's the best I can do?"

Are you willing to build your own PC? Nobody here is going to recommend a pre-built PC.
What country are you in?

amtseung · Nov 17, 2016

Jack Harkness :

Prebuilts always cost more than building it yourself. It's a business, they have to profit somehow, and they gotta charge you for labour too.

For 250 British pounds, considering you already have a power supply and GTX1050ti, all you'd really need is a CPU, motherboard, case, RAM, and some storage (unless you already have a hard drive). For that money, I'm sure you can get a dirt cheap case, an i3 6100, a 2x4gb kit of ram, a low end B150 motherboard, and a dirt cheap 500gb or 1tb hard drive. You might even be able to afford an i3 6300 if you don't need a drive. (All pricing based on what I just saw on amazon.co.uk. I can't type the pound symbol.)

Jack Harkness · Nov 17, 2016

amtseung :

Jack Harkness :

Prebuilts always cost more than building it yourself. It's a business, they have to profit somehow, and they gotta charge you for labour too.

For 250 British pounds, considering you already have a power supply and GTX1050ti, all you'd really need is a CPU, motherboard, case, RAM, and some storage (unless you already have a hard drive). For that money, I'm sure you can get a dirt cheap case, an i3 6100, a 2x4gb kit of ram, a low end B150 motherboard, and a dirt cheap 500gb or 1tb hard drive. You might even be able to afford an i3 6300 if you don't need a drive. (All pricing based on what I just saw on amazon.co.uk. I can't type the pound symbol.)

i edited the comment please have a look at what it says now and for the same build with a 320gb hard drive it would be something like 15 pounds more expensive

Jack Harkness · Nov 17, 2016

My budget is £390 and i think getting everything but a gpu for £250 with an I5 4440 is pretty good

amtseung · Nov 17, 2016

Jack Harkness :

Honey you're making this even harder on yourself now. No computer in that price range is going to play those games well. I'd hazard a guess at being able to play them at low-medium at 1080p 50-60fps, medium-high at 30-45fps. If you're willing to crank down a lot of settings, then sure, you can play them. But will it be enjoyable? Oof, I don't know.

BF1 is a separate beast here. Your 1050ti is going to die under that load if you want to play it with anything other than potato graphics. Even then, it might suffer. You'd then have to blow your entire budget on a CPU that's still borderline under the minimum spec, let alone the recommended. BF1 is the most demanding game you've listed here, and by a long shot. My i5 4460 goes through its death throes when I play BF1, and thankfully, my brand new GTX1060 can alleviate some of that load with GPU particle physics. Before, with my R9 380x overclocked to as far as Sapphire's bios would let me go, I could barely get a 55fps average at medium-high settings with frequent dips into the teens when the behemoth was dying or the capture was getting gassed and tank rushed. I had to turn down a LOT of settings and make a custom config file just to get playable framerates, and even still, rarely saw framrates above 70. And it looked like absolute ass.

Jack Harkness · Nov 17, 2016

amtseung :

Jack Harkness :

Honey you're making this even harder on yourself now. No computer in that price range is going to play those games well. I'd hazard a guess at being able to play them at low-medium at 1080p 50-60fps, medium-high at 30-45fps. If you're willing to crank down a lot of settings, then sure, you can play them. But will it be enjoyable? Oof, I don't know.

BF1 is a separate beast here. Your 1050ti is going to die under that load if you want to play it with anything other than potato graphics. Even then, it might suffer. You'd then have to blow your entire budget on a CPU that's still borderline under the minimum spec, let alone the recommended. BF1 is the most demanding game you've listed here, and by a long shot. My i5 4460 goes through its death throes when I play BF1, and thankfully, my brand new GTX1060 can alleviate some of that load with GPU particle physics. Before, with my R9 380x overclocked to as far as Sapphire's bios would let me go, I could barely get a 55fps average at medium-high settings with frequent dips into the teens when the behemoth was dying or the capture was getting gassed and tank rushed. I had to turn down a LOT of settings and make a custom config file just to get playable framerates, and even still, rarely saw framrates above 70. And it looked like absolute ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqU152JeXHs&ab_channel=Benchmark this seem to be running it pretty well and the 1050 is basically the same as the 960 and the ti is a bit better? and i'm coming from console so i don't really mind drops below 50 all that much to be honest

amtseung · Nov 17, 2016

Jack Harkness :

What we've been trying to guide you towards is a system that costs the same but performs better. I don't know what kind of prices you're able to find for an i5 4440, especially if it's new (Amazon.co.uk is showing 167 pounds), but its price to performance is lower than an i3 6300, is about the same as an i5 4460, which is still lower than an i5 6400, which is lower than an i5 6500. You're focusing on all the wrong things while expecting the extremes. Don't forget, a console plays at 720p 30fps, a world of performance apart from 1080p 60fps. The game is also coded differently for console. The PC version is coded to take advantage of modern, more powerful hardware. They list a 6600k as the minimum and a recommended of a i7 4790 for a reason. It's not because the game won't run on weaker hardware, it's because they want you to experience the game in all its glory, not wade through the potato version and complain later. In short, BF1 was not designed to be run on a potato-tier PC.

The i5 4440, 4460, and 6400 all cost about the same, with like the biggest difference being 15 pounds. LGA 1151 motherboards are cheaper than their LGA 1150 equivalents. DDR4 is cheaper than DDR3 per gb. If you have the money for an i5 4440, may as well get the i5 6400, which performs better at the same cost, right?

I hope you understand where we're coming from. We've long since thrown the prebuilt idea off the top of the Empire State building.

Jack Harkness · Nov 17, 2016

amtseung :

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/NarutoSennin/saved/X7W3CJ This is the cheapest 6300 build i can find this is with a smaller hard drive and no operating system http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/Zoostorm-Core-i5-4440-Quad-Core-Desktop-PC-1TB-HDD-8GB-RAM-DVD-RW-Win-8-1/262718755193?hlpht=true&ops=true&viphx=1&_trksid=p5197.c100068.m2280&_trkparms=ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140211130857%26meid%3Dd6559a4e402b49fc8f4add955737b8d9%26pid%3D100068%26clkid%3D527491069309240492&_qi=RTM2063723 this was the prebuilt i was gonna get i don't get why you think a prebuilt is a bad idea? and that is with a ram price that is way cheaper than normal and isn't likely to stay like that

amtseung · Nov 17, 2016

Prebuilts are a bad idea for many reasons. I'll list the most applicable ones that come to mind.
1.) quality of individual components, since they're not listed, are questionable at best. Especially the power supply and motherboard. Always sketchy.
2.) quality of shipping materials are also questionable at best, damage during shipping becomes a high risk.
3.) cost of materials + labor + profit margin usually means something in there is questionable if the price is that low.
4.) questionable workmanship of the assembly person or team.
5.) garbage keyboard and mouse bundle. Makes the gaming experience worse.
6.) do you really need a dvd read/write drive?

It does, however, include the OS, since you do need one. Can you get a windows install from a friend? You can go to some shady site and buy a windows 10 key for like 25 bucks or something later on. OEM copies of windows are always super limited, and makes future hardware upgrades far more difficult than having your own copy, or at least having your own activation key.

Jack Harkness · Nov 17, 2016

amtseung :

I have a spare power supply i would be replacing it with anyway and the motherboard is probably kinda shady on both i do know they say they only build using well known brands such as Gigabyte, MSI, Asus, WD, Seagate.
But your other points i have to agree with

Jack Harkness · Nov 17, 2016

amtseung :

Prebuilts are a bad idea for many reasons. I'll list the most applicable ones that come to mind.
1.) quality of individual components, since they're not listed, are questionable at best. Especially the power supply and motherboard. Always sketchy.
2.) quality of shipping materials are also questionable at best, damage during shipping becomes a high risk.
3.) cost of materials + labor + profit margin usually means something in there is questionable if the price is that low.
4.) questionable workmanship of the assembly person or team.
5.) garbage keyboard and mouse bundle. Makes the gaming experience worse.
6.) do you really need a dvd read/write drive?

It does, however, include the OS, since you do need one. Can you get a windows install from a friend? You can go to some shady site and buy a windows 10 key for like 25 bucks or something later on. OEM copies of windows are always super limited, and makes future hardware upgrades far more difficult than having your own copy, or at least having your own activation key.

And no i don't have a windows install and i don't know anyone who does i have a keyboard and mouse that are better than them

Jack Harkness · Nov 18, 2016

amtseung :

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/NarutoSennin/saved/t6rrHx is this a better build? i know for a fact the 750 ti can run it okay i would be running it till may when i will upgrade to rx 480

CTurbo · Nov 18, 2016

Should i get a gaming pc with an i3 6100 rx 470 or a i5 4440 and gtx 1050 ti?

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